@Stigma One problem of today's news coverage (both by official media and non mainstream sources) is that we get individual incidents made into very big things. This is essentially a war on a very large corrupt group. It a big battle fought all over the state. No battle plan ever goes off quite as planned. It is very rare that a battle is won without some casualties that may not have been necessary.

People on both sides argue themselves silly over small moments that were judgement calls.

Wise law abiding citizens stay away from officers of the state doing stressful jobs and making fast decisions on limited data. Officers of the state try to avoid harming those who are not the direct targets of action. But in the end life is not perfect. I don't see many people saying this. Its either "this saintly man was jilled unfairly" or "this bad man was fairly shot". Not "This guy got into a tense law enforcement situation and it really backfired on him. No one wanted this but this is what can happen in these situations. Let this be a lesson to those who get involved in others' battles. It may become your battle without you realising it". You might also add "Do you really want to be a martyr for a group who are ripping your country off?"

We do need to grow up and see reality. Casualties are inevitable in battles.

@MentORPHEUS

I don't keep up with current events so I've no idea what's being discussed here. As a point of order, however:

He was an ICU nurse at a VA hospital, watch the video of him recently eulogizing one of his longtime patients.

Emotional manipulation is literally the first tactic to which both progressives and mainstream media outlets (but I repeat myself) resort when they're spinning a bullshit narrative. They did it with "Maryland man," Covid, St. George of Our Lady of Fentanyl and countless others besides. This video did a pretty good job of covering the issue.

The fact this guy was apparently an ICU nurse who delivered a touching eulogy for a patient means literally nothing in the context of the shooting being discussed, particularly if he was actively engaged in subversion and/or obstruction of ICE agents performing their legal duties.

To be clear, I'm not saying that's what happened.

Again, I don't know anything about the event being discussed and, frankly, I don't care. I simply felt it pertinent to draw attention to the rampant (ab)use of pathos by bad faith actors who are fully cognizant of the fact most progressives wear their hearts on their sleeves and are easily distracted and misled by a well-crafted sob story.

@MentORPHEUS Honestly, it’s becoming hard to decipher where it was I put my line in the sand in regards to what level of power or authority I permit the state to have over me. That’s the game though, right? A million different formulas concocted in smokey rooms by unknowable men in suits all perfectly executed on in the right order so as to discombobulate the world views of the weary masses.

An influx of immigrants here, a progressive agenda undermining the purpose of unions there and hey presto, your white working class union man is now firmly right leaning.

A bit of gender studies here, a bit of identity politics there and hey presto your educational institutions are completely compromised and pumping out ideologically brain dead peons.

None of it makes any sense, and the positions will change again before we’re done.

What we won’t do, however, is make sense of it in the chaotic minutiae of senseless deaths contrived by all of this nonsense in the first place.

These events are only serving to entrench everyone in their fox holes, and the truth is out there in no man’s land.

The reason for recent events in Minnesota is that it is the location of, by far, the largest financial fraud in the history of America. Everyone is in on it. The governor, state officials, mayors, local officials, and judges, all the way down to municipal judges. They also have key allies in the universities and the professions. The Biden administration was also in on it. Don't believe me? Try going through an airport with $1 million in cash and properly declare it with the feds, like the Somali couriers did. Better yet, organize some friends to participate and have your group take $1 million in cash through an airport every single day for two straight years, again all properly declared. Try it. Let's just say that you won't have the same outcome that the Somali couriers had.

The people organizing the assaults on ICE have ties to those corrupt government officials and to allies in key institutions. Lots of money is at stake. The people funding the attacks on ICE are the usual billionaires and foundations whose dual goals are the destruction of Western civilization and making America a majority non-white country. They'll fund anything that furthers those goals, especially violence. And unfortunately, the government is also funding these outrageous actions through NGOs and likely providing operational support, though not as openly as under Biden and Trump I. The important takeaway is that none of this is organic. Everyone on the ground participating has been recruited to do so and provided both instructions on what to do and supplies. And there is big money behind it.

Bessent is following the money, and it doesn't look like this will end well for those officials in Minnesota. And we'll see how well protected those billionaires and foundations are, though I'm not optimistic. So far, no one's laid a glove on them.