Have been having weird dates recently that end in nothing but a k close or nothing at all. I'm not new to escalating and f closing during dates as I've done it before many times. Not sure what's going wrong maybe there's a flaw in my logistics/order of events.

Thanks for all the suggestions on the last fieald report. This time for both dates I suggested I get the first round and she can get the next one instead of me paying for the whole bill.

Logistics were also in place this time. Had a hotel room to myself for my work trip.

First date:

Met with a milf for drinks. Flirty vibe. Kino'd. Invited her back to my hotel (30 min away) but she said she has to go on a work trip tomorrow morning which she told me about before. She seems interested in meeting again over text afterwards.

Second date:

Met with a girl around my age. Flirty vibe once again. Got drinks with her. SHE suggested let's watch a movie after the drinks. This was because we bantered about how she'll hide behind me during horror movies. We smoked some weed outside. Walked to my hotel. Had her in my bed watching a movie. Kino again. Tried to go for the kiss. She said she doesn't do that on the first date and she got out of a relationship recently where she was left with a lot of trust issues etc. Kino'd more but she was not reciprocating much she seemed a bit standoffish. We ended up falling asleep in my hotel bed. Got her an uber back in the morning.

I'm in a bit of a dilemma because this was a work trip I was on. Meaning I have limited time to text, set up a date, and try to f close. It may be that these girls want more than one date to f close. But in a situation with limited time I want to have a fun date but also get intimate.

EDIT: Third-ish date

Forgot about this one. Not really a date but met a girl through a mutual friend at an event. Bounced venues in an uber. Kino and game were on point. Probably the smoothest game I've ever spit. Had the girl obsessed and lost for words because of how I was flowing and the shit I was saying. She forgot her ID so didn't get into the bar. Got her number. Texted her after and she wants to see me soon in my city.

Here's your problem bro: you're results driven. The more you focus on results the deeper into sperg territory you're going to get. Pretty soon you're going to be in the territory of hopeless and giving girls the ick.

I can tell by what you wrote that your game and social skills aren't up to par. Social skills come first. You need to chat with everyone. "Approach" really is a bad term. This isn't a pass or fail test. You have to learn how to love conversations and love your own life.

Think of it like this: Guy A goes out to have fun. He's smiling, talking to everyone and simply enjoying his self. He's amused at his environment and engaged with whoever he's talking to. It's like an instant bond. He's the guy that figured out what everyone wants. How to make life enjoyable.

Guy B hones in on a target. He gives a canned sales pitch. He looks nervous. He tries to sell something that he doesn't really have to offer. The one or two yes's he gets are promptly ignored because he "texts for logistics". This is what women call rejection.

You tell me which guy sounds like the better option to a woman?

So first thing to do. Go out and talk to everyone. If you can't hold conversations with the general public, you can't attract women.

Second is if you get a yes, stop texting for logistics. If you're too autistic to not fuck up a text interaction, your date wouldn't have gone well.

This isn't a ratio. There's no magic number and special phrase. Focus on being social and enjoying your life. Hoping for results isn't going to do shit.

DO NOT try to become boring or beta. This is terrible advice! All you're going to do is develop be ad habits and anger the psychopath! She will blame you for acting weird and inconsistent and find ways to make your life hell. Trust me. I have years of experience with crazy women.

It's not your job to fix her, it's not your job to keep her happy and it's not your job to take abuse or her shitfits. Your job is to protect your own wellbeing.

JFC.... the guys on here really think you can rationalize with a highly unstable and emotional woman?

When a woman's hypergamy kicks in, it's stronger than any other rational thought. The only way she will "let" you walk away is if you're completely destroyed.

It's really up to you. You can try to become boring Billy beta. You can play the white night card of "that's not who I am". You can light yourself on fire to keep others warm. It's a path to misery and self destruction.

Relationships end. That's normal. You're going to have to make peace with being the one to safely end it or stay weak and miserable.

My advise is to plan a stealthy exit. If you have any of your belongings at a place of hers get those back. If you own property or a car make sure you have insurance and preferably security cameras. One your stuff is secured. Either call or text her your done. Block her and don't ever answer again. It's done. No drawing this out. No giving her hope to reconcile. No weakness.

You'll thank me for saving you another half a year or more of pure hell.