How Many Women?
Published 10/01/18 by Whisper [7 Comments]

Kitten is still struggling to come to terms with having to share my attention with FunSize, not to mention the occasional plate. FunSize, of course, is experienced at this, and has no issues, but Kitten feels threatened by her very presence, and won't talk to her for long enough to bond and stop seeing her as a threat.

Since Kitten is actually Dr. Kitten, PhD, she likes to intellectualize things that upset her, thinking about them in abstract terms rather than as they relate to her personally. This gives her emotional distance so she can cope. So the other day (I actually started writing this sometime back, so it was a while ago now), she hits me with this question:

"How does polygamy [by which she means polygyny] fit into evo psych? How did monogamy [by which she means monogyny] form?"

Fleshing out the gist of my answer into a compete description for TRP:

Polygyny is a mating strategy optimized for replacing combat losses, because one man can easily keep multiple women pregnant. It's used by warlike societies, or those with high male-specific mortality rates.


Monogyny is a mating strategy optimized for appeasing low-tier males, because it guarantees them a mate. It's used by peaceful societies which depend on beta male labour and cooperation for their prosperity.


Polygyny's effect upon the Sexual Marketplace is to increase the availability of apex males.

This benefits:


Monogyny, in turn, decreases the availability of apex males.

This benefits:


Yes, "women who are mated to apex males" appear on both of these lists. These women face increased competition for their mates' attention, but reduced risk of total abandonment.

This means that any change which empowers apex males, or women, increases society's tendency towards polygyny, and anything which empowers low-tier males increases society's tendency towards monogyny.

Judeochristianity is a very interesting case because it made a transition from polygyny to monogyny. However, modern Christian and tradcon values are heavily monogynous.


This is why tradcon values are appealing to early-stage TRPers, and repugnant to late-stage TRPers.


Early-stage TRpers, still infused with the values of low-tier males, find monogyny appealing. They do not wish to face competition from high-tier males, and are very concerned with maintaining loyalty in their women.

Late-stage TRPers don't like tradcon or its monogynous values. They are unconcerned with maintaining loyalty in their women, because their high desirability does this for them, and disloyal women are easily replaced if it doesn't. They are also unconcerned with competition, since the amount of it that can beat them is less than the supply of attractive women. Instead, they wish to maximize their available options, and their ability to mate multiple women in parallel.


Women's individual preference tends to vary depending on whether they are more concerned with mate quality or mate loyalty. Women who fear abandonment tend to view monogyny as a moral imperative, while women who fear being stuck with a beta tend to have a less hardline attitude.


An important takeaway here is that the real condition of polygyny or monogyny is a response to the balance of male desire, female antipathy, and the power balance between the two... and thus actual arrangements will often be a lot more polygynous or monogynous than society explicitly endorses. People in such conditions need to find ways to act on the sexual realpolitik (or the relationship/hookup won't work at all) without being publicly shamed (which tends to happen to women whose men are less monogynous than the standard, or to men who are less polygynous than the standard).


For example, in societies with traditional monogynous marriage, polygyny tends to take the form of discrete tolerance of side chicks so long as they are hidden from public view, or of a man "dating" multiple women at once. In polygynyous societies, monogyny would mostly take the form of a single-pair marriage where the husband never takes a second or third wife.

For our purposes, it is wise to remember that monogyny is a concession. You don't treat it as an obligation in a relationship... you decide if you want to give it, and if so, for what? Behaving like an apex male isn't sufficient to get you treated like one, but it is certainly necessary.

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The Tradcon Trap
Published 09/28/18 by Whisper [0 Comments]

You can't spin plates all your life.

Not because you literally can't but because sooner or later, you're not going to want to.


Most men, with the occasional rare exception, are at some point in their lives going to want something more from a girl than a sexy body to ejaculate into.

That's where the shit gets dangerous. Because while y'all know enough not to LTR the town bicycle, there's another kind of woman out there who we need to talk about. Because while while everyone knows crazy hoes will ruin your shit, there are other ways for your life to suck.

I'm talking about traditionalist conservative ("tradcon") women.

On the surface, this kind of woman looks like a good deal. She certainly talks a lot about doing the things that men want an LTR to do... keeping a low N count, being faithful and loyal to her man, acting submissive, treating his needs as important, etc.

Listen to her long enough, and some of you weak motherfuckers will tear up, decide she's a unicorn, and promote her to LTR right away. Some of them are good at talking that shit.


Not a good plan.


Why not?

Isn't an old-timey marriage, with a sweet, affectionate wife, a cozy home, and maybe some children something that many men want? It's not all fantasies about being a rockstar and nailing groupies. Hell, we get some guys in askTRP who can't get even get it up with on an ONS, because that's just not their thing.

Yes, many men want this, but that doesn't mean that is what is actually on offer.


You see, what the tradcon woman wants is the deal women had 100 years ago, or at least, the parts that are good for her. So she tells you, "marry me, and I will be a good wife to you".

If this were true, great, maybe.. if you like that. But she wants you to take her word for it.

This ignores the single greatest and most fundamental piece of redpill writing ever.

If you haven't read and understood the Bitch Management Hierarchy already, please leave class and go report to the Tutoring Center for remedial work.

The rest of you know that the basic point is that trust is inspired, not demanded. The reason that a woman must *earn* her way up the Bitch Management Hierarchy is that you only find out what she is really like by observing her behaviour over time.

Anyone can say anything, only actions tell the truth.

The tradcon woman who says "Marry/commit to me before sex" is attempting to buy her way to the top of the Hierarchy with nothing more than a promise. And anyone can say anything.

Only two things can make a woman worthy of any trust at all:


1. She knows that breaking that trust will result in immediate, dire, and unavoidable punishment.
2. She has been observed, over a long period of time, to value her investment in the person extending that trust.


Why did this work 100 years ago? Because wedding vows were enforced. A woman knew that breaking her promise would result in ostracism, social death, and poverty. Case 1.

But case 1 is dead now. Society *will not enforce wedding vows*. Instead, it reward her for breaking them with cash and prizes. Your money, your house, your kids, attention, love, sympathy, etc.

So we move to case number 2. The Bitch Management Hierarchy. We **make women earn that trust**. And this is the deal that the tradcon woman attempts to decline. Her doctrine tells her to avoid sex before commitment with you, to avoid risking her N-count. But where does this risk go?

The risk is shifted to you. Instead of her having to be "all-in", and betting that she can inspire you to want commitment, you assume the risk by committing to her before having any idea how she will handle that trust. How does that deal sound to you? You want that deal?


Ya wanna throw everything you've learned out the window because some bitch pinkie-swears she's a unicorn? Didn't think so. If she's a unicorn, she can prove it just like everyone else, and not need to cut to the front of the line.


If she says she's "saving it for marriage", or "only has sex in a relationship", *laugh it off, treat it as ASD, and escalate the same way*.

Women are women, no matter what values they give lip service to.


Ignore what women say, watch what they do.

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