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@SwarmShawarma not sure what you're trying to say
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.
- Agent Smith
It's one of the greatest tragedy of the hulan species, that it needs stress or enemies to feel alive...
middling
Not by fair metrics which for example would be average or median wallet value
everyone thousands+ of them.
Maybe like 4
@Typo-MAGAshiv as much as I am with you on the subject.
Sci fi writers created the fictional worlds that we live today. So yeah a fantasy world (called utopia, or abstract) is just that - sure, unless it become real (although I can't see socialism getting there).
human nature.
I'd say production.
If we could have robots manufacturing robots etc 0possibly we would end up in some kind of socialist hell, where there is no goal, and everything would be free. Hum race wouldn't overpopulate the earth, it would extinct faster than it heads there now.
@adam-l uh-huh....
Then what was your entire point here?
You wasted a lot of your time, my time, and the time of anyone following along by grasping at straws.
Hell, more like grasping at nothing, because your objection to my saying what I said was a nonsensical objection.
So basically I'm just arguing about the obvious, i.e. that you are closed to that perspective.
A) why didn't you lead with that, instead of wasting your time and mine with what you said instead, which made no sense?
B) of course I'm closed to communism. it's fucking stupid! it doesn't work, it never has worked, and it never will work. It will always collapse upon itself due to human nature.
Therein lies the value of utopias: they provide Insights
Fantasy worlds are just that: fantasy.
0.409304You are technically correct.
We've stumbled on a technical issue, that is. There is, of course, a moral dimension in sexual strategy. We've agreed, in TRP, not to engage in it, because it would bog down the discussion.
The thing is that politics doesn't lie on an abstract moral ground. It has practical implications, just as marrying the wrong woman. Maybe the arguments against capitalism are about those implications (i.e. war, "poverty" i.e. inability to live and reproduce etc), but the counter-arguments are wrapped in a moral coat, to anchor themselves in a moral outrage.
The philosophical -yet-very-pragmatic principle behind all this is that you have to stand outside a system in order to be able to see it clearly. Therein lies the value of utopias: they provide Insights. On the other hand, when TINA (There Is No Alternative), as Thatcher put it, every attrocity can be justified.
So, to get back at Lennon's case. It's not that you won't take his viewpoint because he was rich. You won't take Marx's viewpoint either, in spite of him being poor. So basically I'm just arguing about the obvious, i.e. that you are closed to that perspective.
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