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So yeah, I'm not really sure what happened on this one. And this is one I genuinely cannot read.
So I match with this girl (HB7, 24y/o) at the weekend. The usual play goes fine, she agrees to drinks, we exchange numbers. I send the odd text or voice note here and there. She responds very enthusiastically.
Today, I send a follow up confirming the date. Again, she's enthusiastic.
Just before the date, she starts becoming really self conscious. She texts that she's really nervous to meet me. She's worried I'll find her immature (age gap 24 - 31). She doesn't know what to wear etc.
I meet her and things are fine. As we're walking to the bar she is clearly very nervous, and she says as much. Talking about how nervous she is meeting me etc.
We get to the bar and I buy her a drink, we sit down. She is visibly very nervous. She's fidgeting, touching her hair, excessively talking. Again, she keeps verbalising how nervous she is. She says "I’ll be fine after a few drinks".
She slams her drink (quicker than me, and I'm a fast drinker) and gets up to buy herself another one.
She comes back and starts to settle down. The conversation starts flowing and she seems to relax. She shows me her tattoos and invites me to touch her on the arms, legs and back. We carry on conversation and it seems to be going well.
About 30 minutes in, we go out for a smoke. We're sat on a table opposite each other. The conversation is flowing well. She's laughing, she's giggling, she's touching, she's flirting. All seems to be going well.
At this point it's been about an hour since we met. She says she needs to go to the restroom. She asks where it is. I tell her where it is. She's jokes around a little and goes off.
A few minutes later she returns. She asks if I'd like to go somewhere else. I say sure, how about ____. She agrees. I tell her I'm just going to go to the restroom and then we'll leave. She agrees and I go to the restroom.
I come back from the restroom and she's no longer at the table, she's gone. I walk out the bar and she comes upto me, sweet let's go to the next bar.
She then comes up to me and says "Sorry, I'm going to leave. I think we're quite different people. The conversation feels kinda forced, and sometimes you just know. I phoned my friend and I'm going to leave. Sorry. Is that okay?".
I said sure. Gave her a hug and left.
Honestly, I can't read nor understand this one.
I'd understand if she was visibly not into the date - uninterested, bored etc. I'd understand if I'd said something that might have offended her. But I didn't get any of that.
As far as my read went, this was like any other normal date. She was engaged in the conversation, she was flirting, she was giggling, she was touching. You don't give IoI's like that if you aren't at least somewhat interested/engaged?
She then proposes - herself - to go to another bar - if you wanted to leave, you'd just make an excuse right? You wouldn't suggest another bar?
Yet within less than 5 minutes we went from ready to go to another bar, to her cutting the date there and then, and I cannot for the life of me work out why.
Leaving the date, rejection that's just par for the course. What is really bugging me is that my mental model cannot explain what actually happened here and why.
Read MoreHe mentioned to me that on the first date it’s best to flirt and show intent but intentionally do not go for a kiss or try to escalate into sex. The reason being is to show how good of a guy you are, and then on the second date escalate it all the way to sex.
If you have good SMV, not only can you fuck on the first date, the girl will do the leg work for you.
Is this good advice or is he talking out of his ass?
His premise, is bullshit.
There are times not to fuck on the first date. But not fucking on the first date doesn't help you out fucking on the second. In my experience it hinders it.
40 years is pretty good
Who knows what could have been achieved with more TRP
It's still a really good run that you did this well regardless
I'm sorry this just sounds like absolute cope
If you two want to fuck then fuck
Women will crawl over glass to have a guy they want
The only reason you shouldn't try is because you don't feel like it
Women aren't "serious" based on not fucking on the first date they are "serious" by their ability to keep men they fuck
I think I am safe after 40 years, maybe...
Although, looking back at it all, I did OK and who only knows where I would have ended up.
Some days, I am happy with how it all turned out and others I contemplate how much better it could have been if I had known more about TRP.

