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@mattyanon sure, if both people are doing it wrong
It's going okay, yes a lot of people are still here
1h ago 2026-08-25 06:03:15 WhereAreAllTheGoodMen Forum
I don't know what else to do
You could try approaching the men you're interested in...
then texts "I'm free that night. I do have a boyfriend but I thoroughly enjoyed our conversations if you're interested in another friend up here."
There was no mention of a boyfriend the entire night. What do you think are the chances this supposed boyfriend actually exists as opposed to her wanting plausible deniability/validation/free drinks?
What @mattyanon said. He most likely exists, but that didn't stop her from using you for free shit. Women use men for free shit all the time. In other news, water is wet.
Where is this boyfriend while she's drinking and flirting with random men on the weekends?
Probably at work.
I don't mean this to sound like red pill rage bait but that is actually what happened.
We've all been through similar.
Check it out: in addition to what matty already said about probing, this is also a good reason to escalate early and escalate fast. One drink, then kiss attempt, and getting "I have a boyfriend" is a lot better than wasting as much time, effort, etc as you did.
I tell him they seem like timewasters looking for free drinks and entertainment... My girl continues to show to be a timewaster
You nailed it. Listen to that voice next time.
but he says "he could see something longer term with his girl".
He hasn't even fucked her yet. That's retarded.
All that said I'm not upset to have a hot young girl to value tap and use as social proof
I doubt she'll be all that useful in that way. Try getting her to set you up with one of her hot friends. See how that goes. If she makes excuses, she's trying to keep you as an orbiter (this isn't necessarily conscious on her part, but rather instinct).
Read MoreI do have a boyfriend but I thoroughly enjoyed our conversations if you're interested in another friend up here
haha oh god.
Look, it's worth asking if they have a bf even if you're kissing them, just so they can't pull this shit later.
There was no mention of a boyfriend the entire night.
Right. Free drinks, flirting and validation.
What do you think are the chances this supposed boyfriend actually exists as opposed to her wanting plausible deniability/validation/free drinks?
I think she has a bf and she wants validation, flirting and free drinks.
Where is this boyfriend while she's drinking and flirting with random men on the weekends?
Busy that night? Who knows.
I don't mean this to sound like red pill rage bait but that is actually what happened. All that said I'm not upset to have a hot young girl to value tap and use as social proof.
Good call on using her. She's trying to use you, might as well use her. But she's low value trash, so not sure how much use she is.
If you want to stop this shit, you need to stop driving girls around and buying stuff for them. Give them a ride if logistics is good, don't buy their drinks. By the time you're touching/kissing, you should be either bouncing to a quieter venue or arranging a future date.
Future date break: mostly this saves time because if she's got a bf she probably won't come on a date with you, and you find out if she'll actually meet you again or not.
Extremely rough maths to illustrate this, don't take the numbers literally:
3 hours with girl including kissing: arrange future date. 50% chance she shows up.
6 hours with girl including kissing: arrange future date. 60% chance she shows up.
If you don't meet many girls, those 3 hours are worth 10% more chance she'll show up.
If you meet a lot of girls (and it sounds like you do), then those 3 hours could be spent with another girl for another roll of the dice.
Don't sperg out on the numbers, I'm saying that sometimes cutting early and getting to the next date is a more efficient use of time. Especially if you like an early night ;)
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