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Reply To amanef - Relationship of 8 months
She's 24, I'm 26, we've been together for 8 months now. When I don't feel like she's doing what I want I become sad/ disappointed. It' totally not outcome independence....... [more]

First-light
1h ago 2026-07-07 15:29:53 Ask TRP Forum

When you say "that's just shitty" remember that this is only going to be shitty when it ends. It will end, unless you are cursed to never enjoy good hot sex with a willing woman.

You have to do something shitty or experience something shitty being done to you to be free to find that there is a whole different world out there. Once you have known that world, you will never ever tolerate a situation like this again. You will know she is not right for you because she doesn't desire you. She just sees you at best as a relationship, at worst as a provider. She does not want you.

It reads like maybe she is moving into a room in your apartment, not even your own room??

I married my first lover. She was cold. I felt something was off but I really didn't know. Her coldness was just hell. It went far beyond just sex -where her favourite phrase was "hurry up". Eventually I realised I just had to initiate break up with her and face the divorce rape, no matter how much it hurt. After that I went with some whores, probably partly to cope with frustration but mostly I think to prepare me to not be afraid to have sex with another woman. That sex was all uninspiring. Then about 9 months after my break up I got with a hot girl friend who liked sex and my entire world view of what was possible in terms of sexual satisfaction just exploded into something better (and terrible oneitis that could only end badly). I recount this to say that I really do understand the fear of losing a first relationship but that also I can promise you there is so much better out there.

You will do what you will do. I have not yet heard of a guy who succeeded in making a lukewarm woman hot for him. Some woman are not very sexual, its just a fact. They won't really heat up for any man. There are whole family trees of women who have not orgasmed. Lack of pleasure can be to some extent a hereditary trait. If its only that then you are lucky. She might genuinely love and respect you.

However if you just don't get her wet but other guys could, then you need to run. Likely as not other guys will be getting her wet sooner or later and even if not, she will never respect or look up to you. To her, you are a loser who it is situationally beneficial to be with and even if she were to decide that the situation was the rest of her life, well situations can change and woman's minds can change in an instant. If you are a loser that is is situationally worth being with, you can bet she actually feels like she is lowering herself every time she gives herself to you. She probably wants to shower your sub standard loser semen out of her afterwards.

The only other possibility and it is a very small one, is that she has a mental block over sex because of upbringing, some neurodivergence that makes it hard linking up with others and sharing your boundaries or negative past experience. Naturally you will hope it is this. Trying to relax her thoroughly and making sex light hearted, fun, natural, gentle and loving is most likely to win through to unlocking such a girl but the possibilities are very very small that it is such a case. In most cases nature is very strong and allows women to push away all their mental problems when they want a man's seed. In fact many of us have observed that for a white hot fling, where the sex is mind destroyingly good, it tends to require a slightly mental woman who has just decided that you are the key that fits her lock.

Do what you will do but do not fear to enthusiastically embrace something shitty when it comes along. Your escape from cold cunt prison lies through the sewers.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
11h ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@MentORPHEUS

I suspect this represents the outcome of various PUA and Manosphere figures one upping each other into a hyperbolic extreme.

That's exactly what it is.

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MentORPHEUS
15h ago  The Hub

@FrancoAP

50 girls before marriage.

I suspect this represents the outcome of various PUA and Manosphere figures one upping each other into a hyperbolic extreme. The real advice for young men today, goes Don't MARRY the first woman you sleep with!
If that ever served the interests of men, it became obsolete by around the late 50s.. There exist edge cases and exceptions, but odds run hard against lucking a bona-fide Unicorn into your bed the first time out. It takes experience and reps to learn that Unicorns don't exist, then to replace naive idealism with a SMP version of Realpolitik. Yes, LTRs hold advantages over hookup culture. But, the counterpoint to this for a young man who aspires to the Marriage and Family life, faces a distinct disadvantage in the marriage marketplace if he passes 25 with just 1 or 2 LTR notches in his bed post. Divorce laws as they stand, make the stakes dangerously high, selecting a wife candidate with more blind trust than actual experience.

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Reply To amanef - Relationship of 8 months
She's 24, I'm 26, we've been together for 8 months now. When I don't feel like she's doing what I want I become sad/ disappointed. It' totally not outcome independence....... [more]

Typo-MAGAshiv
11h ago 2026-07-07 05:46:44 Ask TRP Forum

You're wasting your time.

I saw your blog post. Excerpts:

She refused to kiss me on the second date.

She evaded my kisses during the first part of the relationship.

She basically refused french kissing during the relationship.

She didn't give me one proper blowjob.

She didn't once hug me.

She didn't once initiate kissing me.

She said her libido used to be higher, with me its lower.

She said she doesn't want to have adventurous sex with me.

She doesn't desire you. She's using you for something else. This will never be a good relationship for you.

Also from your blog post:

She doesn't want to be associated with me on socials...

She's disrespectful to me in social settings.

These would be intolerable dealbreakers even without that first excerpt.

You need to end this for your own good. Back to this post:

If she paints the room and I say she can't move in, that's just shitty,

So what?

You know what's even more shitty? Continuing this farce.

Have you read the sidebar? Specifically, HumanSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Your Bitches? Relevant portion:

A long-term relationship CANNOT be your end goal. You can only be OPEN to the possibility of having one.

Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Since a relationship is what you have to offer, you mustn’t just give it away. It must be a reward she earns in small doses for inspiring your trust and devotion.

I understand that many of you want a LTR with a good girl – sometimes a series of flings isn’t enough to fulfill you. Believe me, I sympathize.

But winning a LTR is HER problem, not yours. Handing a girl your devotion won’t magically make her worthy of it. When you WANT a LTR too badly, you place your focus on the idea of having a relationship instead of evaluating the girl. You become fixated on your fantasy relationship and selectively ignore the things happening right in front of you: her deep character flaws, her indiscretions, and the red flags.

You must regard women as candidates applying for the job of being your girlfriend – a supporter, a lover, a comfort away from the everyday battles. Don't just hire a bitch because you want the position filled. Make sure you vet your candidates fiercely and hire the right girl for the job.

If you've actually read any MRP or actually listened to Rian Stone, you'd know that in the decade+ of MRP's existence, HSP's words have been proven true over and over again.

You are making the relationship your goal, and it's to your detriment.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
23h ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@FrancoAP

teeling other guys to focus on getting the money before them girls,

Bad advice.

Men should practice game as soon as they learn about it because nothing teaches and hones skill like experience.

All the manosphere dudes who say shit like "don't date until you're 30" or "don't date until you make [arbitrary yearly income]" or other such crap are setting men up for failure.

Because if you're 30, have your finances in order, but zero experience with women, guess what that makes you?

Easy pickings for Epiphany Phase women who have "had their fun" and are "ready to settle down" with a beta bucks.

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Reply To amanef - Relationship of 8 months
She's 24, I'm 26, we've been together for 8 months now. When I don't feel like she's doing what I want I become sad/ disappointed. It' totally not outcome independence....... [more]

GeorgeIII
9h ago 2026-07-07 08:21:04 Ask TRP Forum

This post makes me… sad.

OP, you wrote all this detail in this post, and the blog that @Typo-MAGAshiv found. And you still say you want to move her in with you.

I get that you’ve read Rian Stone, MRP, and the sidebar. What on earth are you doing? It reads like you have only a shallow, academic understanding of those things. So many key lessons and tropes in your text, besides Bitch Management by HumanSockPuppet.

What keeps her in line in the relationship is dread (Rian Stone). Dread is when she fears losing you. The way you are running things, she can do anything she wants and will not lose you (bad or lack of sex, use your money, fuck other guys). Therefore, no/shitty physical intimacy.

NEVER move a girl in to your house (unless marriage is imminent and on YOUR terms). You will only reduce the amount of sex you get, while being unable to kick her out if she causes bullshit. You are promoting her into your exclusive sex dealer, and she isn’t even a good dealer, according to you yourself.

You are trying to raise your commitment level when things are not going well (she isn’t attracted to you, doesn’t have good sex with you). Think about it like this: if you had a job where the worse you performed, the more you got paid, how would you behave at work?

You’re trying to move a girl in after 8 months. Generally 6 months is the bare minimum for a committed relationship to begin, so get out of here.

If you’re still trying to figure out how to make her wet with desire after 3 dates, you should be pulling the plug. You are at 8 months somehow. At this point it should be clear, nothing you do will make this happen. She doesn’t like you. And don’t “talk to her” about this, just watch her actions in the bedroom.

Committing too early as a man limits your options. You really would be better off on the hunt, looking for almost ANY other girl to fuck. At least then you would actually be fucking. And outside a relationship, you have more time to go to the gym, make money, reach your goals, etc.

You are clearly being played as a beta bucks. No/bad sex, refusing to kiss, no BJs, but she is moving in with you. You didn’t write it here explicitly, but take a look at your current situation: would you be paying for more than half the rent, or all the groceries?

2-sided open relationships are always an advantage for the girl. It’s way easier for her to get sex than it is for you. With this arrangement, she can safely get dicked down by alpha fucks while you comfort her and pay for her shit. You won’t get any side action, and even if you did, she would get mad and stop you from pursuing side puss. The point of a 2-way open relationship is only for the woman to get both alpha fucks and beta bucks.

she seems to love me

Look at her actions, not words. No crazy sex? Is she actually doing other non-sex stuff for you that a girlfriend would? That’s how she really feels about you.

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Man, almost nothing we read in your post was “red pill” at all. Honestly, this reads more like a blue pill betabux guy just spitting out red pill keywords. Reconsider this entire thing, please, for the love of god. You are rewarding shitty behavior if you do anything else.

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