That was dire.

I liked this at the beginning "While the left tells men to stay in their lane, members of the manosphere and the far right are welcoming them with open arms." (not "far right" only means anything centre ground or right). This was spot on. The rest of the entire article is dedicated to discussing how men should stay in the left lane. Oh well, I suppose at least they see their problem at last.

It is very worrying to see that a good white person is not the same as a good Asian or a good black. Well that's the end of that equality thing you guys sold our fathers. Better get back to looking to our own interests then as we can never be as good or equal if we do the same things as them.

I also liked the bit where she said she liked male bonding, said it was better in the UK (because she only knows middle class urban college graduate americans to compare to middle class urban university graduate Brits) and then thought that all the causes of this male bonding were toxic bad habits or trauma. She never stopped to think that maybe "trauma" (challenges like being sent away to school or enlisting in the army) were actually great for male character development and taught them how to make real friends.

The way she speaks and her mannerisms remind me of my "cool" daughter when she is telling me the teachers need to try harder or she can't be interested. I am telling her she needs to try harder as her education is her job not theirs. Teaching it their job, learning is hers. If she gets in the way of their job, there will be clashes. If she neglects her job, she will lose. But I am told, no its someone else not doing enough to interest her. It is all owed to her.

Come to think of it, its almost the same problem. She is not thinking how to make men want her and worship her, she is thinking about "the trouble with men is they don't try hard enough" Meanwhile, the cool princess is not thinking how to behave to learn stuff and let teachers stop putting her in detention.

The whole way of speaking and the dismissive self important hand movements irritate me. Its so self interested, the dismissve confidence is so unearned ...its so young women today.

Reading the transcripts, I don't see any reason why she is lying. I think she was probably genuinely conflicted. How much? That I can't say.

Remember she knew she had a boyfriend from the get go. It was only new to you. She was slow to respond but she did respond and she didn't brush you off to start. She agreed to the date quite fast, then had second thoughts. She agreed knowing she had a boyfriend. So I think she probably did feel a degree of attraction.

Beyond that its all conjecture. You can't see her side. Had she quarrelled with him at first, them made up? Did she realise from talking to you that she was not as attracted as she thought? Did she stop and think "This is not the girl I want to be" (women are not often that moral but they can be). Was she just giving you fair warning but still prepared to go ahead if you were keen enough?

We don't know. All in all I think you did OK. I like the way you let it all drop without sounding at all hurt. If there is anything I would change it would be not to be so clearly teasing. When they are well into you, you can tease and they will be submissive and love it but when the magic has yet to start, its like gears that are not quite meshing and looks like clumsy game.

Keep smiling at her, keep friendly and upbeat not go quiet and hide your hurt. Don't remotely chase but be friendly. Perhaps send her a text from time to time and ask after her health. The odds are slight but if he drops her or she gets bored and lonely, you never know... It costs nothing. I once had a very heated love affair with a woman that it started very slowly with, who blew hot and cold to start, who was slow to reply, who then told me she was conflicted and confused. She had a sugar daddy but she came to think that sugar daddies don't hit the boyfriend spot. It took months for the tension to finally snap and we banged liked rabbits (Note: I later came to see that sluts with sugar daddies should never be more than conveniences to relieve yourself in).

If you can. That's the laconic answer.

The longer one is its almost impossible to have a deep and meaningful conversation with a woman. At least one that is meaningful to a man that is. Women are usually too interested in the small world that surrounds them and to actually discuss meaningful things. How many philosophers and influential thinkers are women? How many women have discovered something new about the world? Its not in their nature. I have never managed it. Not once in my life.

Occasionally I have met an intelligent woman (of any age, background or sexual orientation) and had an intelligent conversation (maybe a dozen times in my life) and thought "By all the gods that is attractive!" (even when she has been old or relatively plain). Sadly it has never been in a situation where a relationship was appropriate. I would love to have an intelligent woman I could share ideas with and who would actually be glad of it.

The last time I thought I was close to getting to a meaningful conversation with a woman it was an error. We were talking meaningless stuff that mattered to her but she had no substance to her mind. I just wanted to bang her and that was leading my mind on. Soon she was trying to convince me that the earth was actually flat, that the moon landings were fake and to draw elves while on LSD. It particularly amused me once when after sex she told me how her ex would never have a meaningful conversation with her but had good conversations with male friends. I thought "I know why". Her idea of meaningful was hippie bullshit -her hive was hippy chicks. With post nut clarity, I knew I was basically done.

This brings me to the point. You can have a conversation a woman thinks is meaningful but it is not likely to be anything you find meaningful. If you want to use this as a bonding thing with women its fine but I suggest these two rules:

1. Keep yourself and your views out of the picture, make it about letting her open up about her ideas and exploring them. Women do not like their worlds to be challenged. A different view is not interesting but threatening to most women.

2.Only have these conversation when she leads into it. Its very rare that anyone had a deep meaningful conversation without wanting it. If you try too hard you run the risk of looking too earnest. A man who is too earnest is usually in a woman's mind a dork trying too hard.