@Musicgoon78 I know you don't need me to defend you, but I'm going to anyway.

@Lone_Ranger @deeplydisturbed while I partly agree with you two in the sense that the wild orgy scene just isn't for me, there is still a lot of value in reading what a Red Pilled man in that scene has to say.

I mean, we all make decisions based on what we know and what outcomes we want. We adjust course as necessary.

I'm sure every man in every Red Pill community has done things other people don't necessarily approve of.

I don't know if you two know about this dude, but he's on this site occasionally and Rian Stone mentions him in his YouTube videos a lot, but @theultmatecad contributed a lot of knowledge to MRP while he was there. (Side note: don't bother looking for him on reddit; he deleted his account. Search the Red Archive's MRP archive for his username if you're curious.)

He raised a lot of ire from a lot of people (mostly bloopies and wahmyns, but even other Red Pilled men). This was because after he caught evidence that his wife was likely cheating (if memory serves, nothing conclusive but still very fishy), he got his shit together, remained married because he didn't trust her to raise the kids on her own, and cheated left and right. His preference was married women because they could keep a secret.

I'm no fan of that activity either, but the knowledge he shared was incredibly valuable.

And here's the thing about both frame and mental point of origin: men like him don't need our approval. They've made their decisions and will own their consequences.

I had more, but this is already long and I have RL shit to attend to.

@Ill_Will7 look bro, this is some divisive shit. You're going to get a lot of people moralizing and saying it's bad four your me tal health and soul etc...

That's all social conditioning and in some ways wrapped up in guilt and shame.

You have to shed that to spin plates at least for a while.

I tried the family thing. Now I'm divorced and barely get to see my daughter. It leaves a scar in your soul. A real scar. Not like going to a sex party and feeling guilty for doing something that everyone does.

Every major city has its own scene. Nashville and Seattle have sex clubs that you can look up. FetLife is creepy, but there are groups that get together for Munches. These are opportunities to network with other kinky people or swingers.

Not all parties are at some rich guys house. Don't get fantasy and reality mixed. It might be a large duplex in the suburbs. Or a warehouse dungeon.

@Lone_Ranger you're on the cusp of agreeing with me (and so is @deeplydisturbed in his reply); you just don't know it yet.

This is my lived experience

Have none of your exes come crawling back? Or at least reached out to test the waters?

Mine have, and this was back before Keoni Galt even made the seminal post "game is Red Pill" that launched TRP.

They had me, then didn't want me anymore.

Then within a year or two, realized they fucked up and wanted me back.

I see it with many other women, including that Latina in search of her "forever cock" and "a connection stronger than just fucking".

They want conflicting things, simultaneously, ie fried ice. They want the thrill of new dick on the CC, but they also want the commitment (preferably from Chad). Whenever they inevitably fuck up that commitment, they end up wanting it again and frequently from the same guy they threw away.

Shit, look at your own example of J-Lo and Ben Affleck! She had him once already years ago, ruined it, got him back again recently and then ruined her commitment from him again because she's a Chaddict!

Look at her string of ex-husbands.

You're right that their commitment turned her off, long-term. But she didn't stop wanting commitment deep-down.

Just like most women, she wants fried ice.

Your ex-wives want fried ice. You'll see, once you're past the pain of divorce.