@Musicgoon78 Sometimes I feel like when I use this approach, it is like I am moving so fast that I don't know how to follow up. I recently did this on my bowling team where I bowl with a girl in her 20s, a 30s year old, and a 50s year old girl. I had gotten the conversation into all of them talking about how life is all about finding that next nut. That it is hard to even get a girl to orgasm, so when you guys find it, it is extra important to keep around. And that I was a good at finding that nut. Nut being the joke word because it segwayed from a cashew comment.

Then I didn't know how to follow up. I had three girls attention all the way up to this nut thing. What do I say after that? All 3 of you should come to my place and see what this whole next thing is about! I really only wanted the young one, who I hit on day one and she told me she had a boyfriend. Now I am not sure if she is lying about it because she has yet to tell one story about this "boyfriend."

I have gotten fantastically better with my issues of escalation anxiety when I first started redpilling back in 2017. But when I use this hard and fast approach, I get it again because I think I am scared of succeeding so fast. I think I want it to be a little bit slower.

@Musicgoon78 I am definitely curious to the idea. I don't want to bang old broads though. My taste is young girls. However, I have tried the living with a girl for 10 years together route, she aborted my kid behind my back, so I didn't have any kids or marriage from that one.

I tried having a few girls, I had three at one point. It was fun but my personal life was still shit even though I did feel cool fuckin a few different girls, so I moved to a new city after that. Then when I was in the worst of my alcoholic years, I was messing around with my good drinking friend's girlfriend for 3 years. He would always drink too much, too fast, and pass out. Me and his girl would have fun 2 feet from him being asleep. Then I tried to get the perfect beautiful rich young angel girlfriend. This was my best relationship thus far although she walked out never to speak to me again after two years of amazing sex and minimal maintenance.

Now today, I have no women. I was working on a couple girls but in the back of mind, I didn't really want them that badly. I wanted to use them to forget the last girl. Then my mind would tell me that I would just end up having to buy them dinners and listen to their boring lives real soon, that I don't even know how to set up seeing a girl without a diner date or going to the bar. I gave up the booze, so i don't get girls at the bar anymore which used to be my main spot. I dont want to pay for them anymore, I dont want to take them on dates anymore.

I say all this to give background on my current situation and describe that I have tried a lot of different roles with women, some leaving scars behind. That the idea of having multiple girls at the same time sounds fun, sounds like it could be situation that teaches me something about myself. I also feel like with this last girl, that I have lost any hope of trying to have one girl be my girlfriend. That it just isn't possible. Even though I like having just one main girl, that it will lead me right back to where I am today. When I had three girls it was cool, but I was using them as a drug and not focusing on getting my money right which is my true dream right now.

I need to get a new paradigm with women... yet again.

@Musicgoon78 I know you don't need me to defend you, but I'm going to anyway.

@Lone_Ranger @deeplydisturbed while I partly agree with you two in the sense that the wild orgy scene just isn't for me, there is still a lot of value in reading what a Red Pilled man in that scene has to say.

I mean, we all make decisions based on what we know and what outcomes we want. We adjust course as necessary.

I'm sure every man in every Red Pill community has done things other people don't necessarily approve of.

I don't know if you two know about this dude, but he's on this site occasionally and Rian Stone mentions him in his YouTube videos a lot, but @theultmatecad contributed a lot of knowledge to MRP while he was there. (Side note: don't bother looking for him on reddit; he deleted his account. Search the Red Archive's MRP archive for his username if you're curious.)

He raised a lot of ire from a lot of people (mostly bloopies and wahmyns, but even other Red Pilled men). This was because after he caught evidence that his wife was likely cheating (if memory serves, nothing conclusive but still very fishy), he got his shit together, remained married because he didn't trust her to raise the kids on her own, and cheated left and right. His preference was married women because they could keep a secret.

I'm no fan of that activity either, but the knowledge he shared was incredibly valuable.

And here's the thing about both frame and mental point of origin: men like him don't need our approval. They've made their decisions and will own their consequences.

I had more, but this is already long and I have RL shit to attend to.

@Ill_Will7 look bro, this is some divisive shit. You're going to get a lot of people moralizing and saying it's bad four your me tal health and soul etc...

That's all social conditioning and in some ways wrapped up in guilt and shame.

You have to shed that to spin plates at least for a while.

I tried the family thing. Now I'm divorced and barely get to see my daughter. It leaves a scar in your soul. A real scar. Not like going to a sex party and feeling guilty for doing something that everyone does.

Every major city has its own scene. Nashville and Seattle have sex clubs that you can look up. FetLife is creepy, but there are groups that get together for Munches. These are opportunities to network with other kinky people or swingers.

Not all parties are at some rich guys house. Don't get fantasy and reality mixed. It might be a large duplex in the suburbs. Or a warehouse dungeon.