@Lionsmane8

The whole world, the global majority can work with each other, just fine!

This is ludicrous nonsense, the same ludicrous nonsense spread by liberal progressives to self flagellate. China is soon to take Taiwan by force. Russia is in the process of taking Ukraine by force. Sub-Saharan African countries regularly engage in some of the most barbaric crimes against humanity you’ll ever witness. The Middle East is a complete and utter shit show of depravity against one another. South East Asia can be hostile as fuck, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you’ve come out with yet that is again, demonstrably false.

You’ve filled your head with some backwards ass garbage, man. You’re no better than the ethnic-nationalists that you pretend to hate with such a passion. And I thought Americans were mind broken when it came to race… you’re on a whole other level!

Your people should be seeking reputations from the Arabs, bro.

@First-light

You're not making any sense.

I am saying, "we need to evolve", you are saying, "nay we want to remain the same".

This is what I mean by the West never civilized. You're stuck in the Medieval Era (the European one that is).

And everyone sees that.

The whole world, the global majority can work with each other, just fine! Only the parasitical West is desperate to drag us back to barbarity.

Which brings me to your other point. No, it is not civilization, it is barbarity.

The West, once again, never civilized. You only donned the veneer the civilization. The proverbial "lipstick on a pig". The West was and still is immoral. The same lawless savages that barely traded their animal skin for iron pressed suits, without changing anything within.

And you know that, you're not good people, you're all alone . . and that's why you all feel the "inexplicable" urge to kill yourselves.

Most obviously, the West is condemned for its hypocrisy, its self-serving claim to moral authority and its sheer lack of humanity. Those perceptions are melded into an acute sense of recrudescent racism embedded in the societies of their former colonialists, exploiters, overseers and of constant condescension.

neutralitystudies.com/2024/05/the-west-vs-the-rest/

@Lionsmane8 Its not barbarism though. Its humanity and its done most successfully by civilisations not by barbarians, they can conquer but they rarely hold land because they lack the social organisation.

Rome made a great contribution to the world but Scipio Africanus was not too popular where you are from. Then came the Islamic Caliphate who took even your gods from you. The only time anyone ever thought it was a bad idea was when the west came along, had some very big fruitless wars among themselves and then their intellectuals told you "its not fair!" You won't get reparation from Rome, you won't from the arabs and you won't from the west. You can come and take their lands if you are strong enough but then it won't be reparation, it will be your fairly earned spoils of war -as it ever was.

If the liberals are ever dumb and powerful enough to pay some token reparation, it will be the end of them at home and may well help to sink the west further in the world. There is not much left in the west now, not nearly as much as it took. What it took was consumed. What would be the point in taking it if you were not going to use it?

If someone conquers a western country they will be proud and tell the world but in truth all they will have conquered is a fallen rump state, not the great nations that ruled them. Those days are gone. Those men are gone. It will be no different to Rome conquering Sparta. Sparta was nothing but a tourist attraction by the time Rome arrived. Even Alexander the great could not be bothered to piss on Sparta.

Now however, the game is on. Its better to be friends where you can and to be kind and not cruel but in the end if a people chooses weakness, it will be servile soon enough.

@First-light

I somewhat agree with you. But where I do not agree is the bleak defeatist anti-human "people were always barbaric, violent savages" and as such we can excuse today's barbarity and savagery.

With this dog-eat-dog mindset, we are sure to reach extinction before we reach the stars.

In any case, we are at a critical juncture where the disillusionment with the West has reached planetary proportions. If the West continues to operate with unbridled barbarity and with blatant disregard to its self-ascribed "values" and institutions, then all it does is invite the forces that will undone it (possibly with the same vehemence that it unleashed on the world in a fit of poetic justice).

As for the historic debt to the world.

Nay, don't delude yourselves. You, the abandoned children of the West, may turn a blind eye and pretend to forget, but the world never forgot. It was just bidding its time.

(I know, it sucks being the generation that will have to apologize and pay the bills your forefathers accumulated.)

economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms

@Stigma I have never cared for cities either. That is why I turned my whole life away from being the young intellectual I was to being a practical man working under the sun. I like to think I have more grounded and practical children. On the down side I am poor.

Cities tend to attract people who look for opportunities. They favour are either the most successful wanting bigger opportunities or the desperate landless poor wanting something. Cities grow as prosperity grows but they become utter hell holes when the prosperity wanes -look at Rome post the fall of its Empire.

Here I think the mediaeval concept of seeking to be closer to the hub of the wheel of fortune may bring some fruit. In the country you are close to the hub. You can't rise so far and you can't fall so far. If the west falls, the cities will become hell holes for the landless poor.

@First-light I've abandoned the idea of cities, now. They're disgusting, expensive, crowded, miserable places. London. Birmingham, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester etc. all have the very same problems. They stink, there's trash absolutely everywhere. The cities belong to 'everyone' and thus 'no one' and so there's no cohesion in which to keep the city feeling like a home. No one person is interested in cleaning up a mess. That's for the councils to do... except, they're bankrupt and too focused on DEI schemes to send street cleaners out to do that basic task anymore. I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw one of those electric vehicles with the circular brushes sweeping out the gutters...

Sadiq Khan says that expecting terror attacks is 'part and parcel' of living in a city. Knife crime from yoots and scrotes over post codes is standard fair. Entire enclaves of 'no go areas' scattered throughout.

Worse yet, the natives that have chosen to remain are of a type that no longer sees outside of London. Their entire world view is built on the premise that all of the above is actually good for everyone and should be put upon everyone else equally. They don't understand that their remaining puts them in a tax bracket that exceeds the lifestyles of the majority and so they don't actually mix with the depravity of the rest of the city. Yet they still feel morally superior enough to thrust it all on us.

I hate cities, I really do.