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Does anyone have actual real world experience with what works with modern women? Not the old hags, the ones in their early 20s. Id say late teens but they are doomed beyond comprehension.
If MGTOW is 100%, I’m at 95%. I'm so drained and at my wits end on the search for a decent gal. I’ve been on red pill forums since I was 16, and I’ve lived it. But let’s be real—most of the “experts” here and on youtube have little real-world experience. Rollo Tommassi for example. He is considered the god father of red pill. Dude is average at best in every regard, he has been married his entire adult life. He breaks shit down to a science but you can not convince me that guy has tested any of his "theories" first hand. If you throw shit at the wall it is bound to stick, and disgruntled men who have zero success with women eat it up and disguise black pill as red pill. Its all womens fault etc.
Yes, red pill makes some valid points—women are naturally drawn to looks, money, and status, the same way guys like certain physical traits like big tits, nice ass and a pretty face. But to act like every woman is the same is just lazy. They’re human, unpredictable, and don’t all respond to a script or a super "masculine personality".
I’ve dated when I was broke, out of shape, and living at my parents—and I still had success. I’ve also dated after leveling up in every way: 7 figures a year, bodybuilding wins, businesses, hair transplant, luxury lifestyle. None of it made dating easier. It changed the caliber of women that chased me, not the outcome.
Ive had over 500 first dates, 150+ sexual partners, and spent 5 of the last 10 years in relationships—I’ve done it all. These days, I only sleep with women I actually like. Otherwise, it’s just not worth it. The effort isn’t exciting anymore. Sex without connection is like driving a Lamborghini every day—it will always be fun but the novelty of it wears off and its not as exciting when you actually have access to it.
The strange part.. The women I don’t care about chase me. The ones I actually like.. It always fizzles out. It’s not that I pedestalize them or act differently—I’ve tested every theory. I don’t need to think about being “non-needy,” I just naturally am after years of consuming red pill content and knowing how modern women are. Still doesn’t seem to matter. I treat every single girl the exact same and the outcome can be wildly different. Some have said they love me, some have wanted a relationship, some have showed up at my house when I didnt respond, some asked me to get them pregnant - others have ghosted me, made it impossible to make plans, or just straight up said they werent feeling it. I have quite literally seen everything on the spectrum and I myself have not changed my personality to fit any one girl.
At this point, it feels like we have almost no control over a woman’s long-term interest. If you stay non chalant in a relationship then you’re “not affectionate enough.” Show interest? You’re “too available.”
It is a numbers game but here is my experience of what the numbers look like:
- meet 20 girls
- 10 of which actually show up on the date
- 5 of them are just not worth seeing, 2 of them are not into me, and 3 of them I go on a second date with
- of the 3, 2 fizzle out and one becomes a plate
- for every 10 plates I have, one is relationship material
- for every 5 that are relationship material, maybe 1 has her shit together and the feelings are fully mutual.
That is literally 1000 women to find a decent girl as a conservative guess.
So my question is this:
If you take away looks, money, and status—what’s the replicatable formula that attracts and keeps good-quality women interested long-term? Assuming all other things are on point.
Read More@Kloi Pretty accurate - I could sleep with 10 girls in a week before I could go on 50 dates and find 1 that is relationship material. The bar is low(er) for me which is crazy. Just want a girl im attracted to and is enjoyable to be around
@Kloi It's nice fucking around, but ultimately having someone you genuinely care about is a hundred times better imo.
But finding someone who fits that bill is incredibly rare. The SMP is just so fucked now.
I got the TEA file and flicked trough the user's pics and IDK but there is no way these women that mostly look horrible are there to check on their dates for safety. Being at this kind of bottom of the barrel you really look for whoever that wants to fuck you.
They are there to gossip and destroy men. There is no way that more than 5% of women there is for valid reasons.
Average HB there is the best repellent for any women wanting to joint this exclusive club.
I'll post 1 censored pic in reply so delete it if that is not censored enough.
@ @Kloi seems like Typo's rls is fair. I don;t think anyone in good rls wants to talk much about overtly nor too much, reasons being:
-she might secretly [or not secretly] know about engagement and reading the posts would put her on a pedestal: risk -taking about it might feel like a finished job and make one lazier in holding it tight -talking about love might be self fulfilling feedback and get one in a lovey dovey escalating feedback loop - leading to loss of frame -superstition - feeling which will come from amongst the above reasons or some unexplained hunch
Finding one you actually want to date - incredibly rare.
I've discussed it before but I feel that natural progression for most guys is: can't get laid>getting laid>easily getting laid>wanting an LTR.
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@Kloi Cue for a bitter old man like me to say "Lack of success stories in LTRs with women? Now I wonder why that might be...?"
But seriously, yes, we do need more relationship success stories. A lot of guys come here wanting the tools to get or keep a LTR. Its an honourable aim to build something that lasts, that actually feeds you not just amuses you. Good on you.
Success stories are good.
You hear glow up stories. Men going from incels to Chad but I feel there is a lack of success stories for relationships.