An open discussion of masculinity, by men, for men, and about men. And not about women. Discuss the role of men in the world, and masculine pursuits, without whining about women.
In a world where the role of men has shifted from leader and provider to eye-candy, entertainer, and taxpayer, boys are raised nearly exclusively by women, and society hates masculinity with a passion, many men have no idea what it really means to be a man. They grow beards, drink beer, and follow sports teams, because these are "masculine" hobbies that men are allegedly supposed to do. But is this really who they are, or is this just what lost boys do because they don't know what else to do?
The majority of discussions regarding masculinity and what it means to be a man in the modern day never seem to focus on men, but instead focus on women. Wander over to a forum filled with "Men Going Their Own Way" (MGTOW), and the majority of their discussions aren't about their accomplishments, hobbies, and successes. Instead, they discuss how much women suck. The defining quality of these men is not their stance on the place of men in the world, but on the place of women in the world. Wander over to a forum about the Men's Liberation movement, and you see the opposite: men who hate men instead of men who hate women. Self-hating feminist men eager to cut their balls off and hand their alleged privilege to allegedly more deserving people.
What do women do for us that we can't do for ourselves? Two things: Have babies and sate our desire for heterosexual sex. That is the role of women in the world, as far as men are concerned. Anything else you might want from a woman, such as companionship, money, help around the house - you can do that yourself, or another man can do that for you. Those aren't feminine roles. They're just human roles. Unless you need a baby or heterosexual sex, you don't need a woman.
What do men do for women that women can't do for themselves? The same things: Impregnate them and sate their desire for heterosexual sex. That's your role in the world, as far as women are concerned. They can make their own money and fold their own laundry, or find other women to do that. Or men. But unless they're specifically after sperm or dick, anything else a woman wants can be provided by any human, not necessarily a man.
Our goal here is to explore the role of men in the world, independent of women. For now, ignore what women do for men, what women don't do for men, or what men do for women. Just focus on you. On men. On manhood. What does it mean to be a man today? What are you into? What makes it manly?
I don't have the answers, only questions and opinions. I don't know what masculinity is or should be, but society is afraid of it, whatever it is, and carefully censors the topic. So I invite us to congregate, as men, in this dark corner of the internet, and discuss our lives and the forms that modern masculinity can take.
Read More@SteinitzX Excellent point.
I think this point is under discussed in the manosphere. Men with even average sized dicks are shamed by women, and also a lot by other men.
Consider the tactic of women shaming men for being average or below average height. Most men realise that they should not join in this inhumane behaviour, and we refrain from it. It's douchey to disrespect (I almost said 'look down upon'!!) short men. It's infantile, unkind and just disrespectful.
But the the average dick shaming that goes on with women is also carried on by men. I think the manosphere ought to concentrate more on that. men ought to be more brotherly to each other. For this reason, I also hate gay-shaming amongst men. I consider homophobia misandrist. Men who love other men? go for it brother. You have my respect.
I'll tell you something personal - I've never yet had an LTR in which my partner has refrained from going out of her way to let me know that I'm not the biggest guy that she has been with. I've had to put up with that shit for my entire 'romantic career'. I've been compared and shamed by every single woman I've ever loved.
Dick shaming is the go-to method for women when they want to manipulate a man....and ....news flash.....they always want to manipultate men. (In my experience).
Read More@Lone_Ranger yes, unless I make/find a better one by then
@First-light hear hear. A well considered and insightful response.
@Typo-MAGAshiv The Greek mythology was my second love. My first love were folk tales from my country. Shit firstLight talks about sparks that memory a lot. I was reading a lot but these were the early teenage years and no much stayed in my easily available memory.
Sometimes the OP is unavailable for one reason or another but, generally speaking, any time you click on a post you can scroll up to the top of the thread to find the OP. Sometimes the thread caps at a reply (which you can generally denote from OPs by the @ handle at the beginning of the post), in which case you can usually click on that post and follow the chain up.
It doesn't always work; deleted posts or posts made by those who've deleted their accounts tend to break the chain, but it'll get you where you need to be most of the time.
@First-light Fuck that noise.
If you wouldn't dive into the grave you would probably be never replying with the Greek references on the site since there is little chance between the blackpiller posts and sending the newbies to the sidebar.
I enjoyed old thread and reply.