@Chaddeus_Rex This is 'rock that resists her ocean of emotion' that many mention in TRP is. They mention it without mentioning the Spirit that underlies it.

Shit, I've said this to GLO privately, but that is the EXACT thing I thought when I first discovered Red Pill.

I was already in the first couple of years of my spiritual awakening. If you haven't read it, my Evola essay is on my blog here.

I was beginning to discover 'Divine Masculinity', as opposed to wounded masculinity which most men suffer today.

I read a lot of the sidebar and guides and I could see the underlying metaphysics and Divine energy at work, but Red Pill was giving a very superficial account without understanding it.

As if reducing things down to scripts and behaviours, with no understanding of the metaphysics and spiritual energy behind masculine and feminism.

Why does a man who 'holds frame' garner attraction? Because masculine energy is witness, observer, order and strength. Feminine energy IS like pure absolute, or pure 'universe'. She dances, and sways and changes and rises and falls and has no order.

Man was created as witness to the universe and divinity. He can both feel spiritual energy, and be it's observer. He can make sense of it, hold fast admist the infinite absolute and create, lead, make order, build.

Female energy is pure and unbounded spiritual energy. Masculine energy is witness and observer. Together, feminine and masculine are the purest expression of what the Absolute wanted to witness.

The Absolute created the universe from pure thought. The desire to witness it's own potential.

So man as witness, observer and creator....and woman AS pure and unbounded spirit...coming together, is pure Divinity.

The attraction a woman has for a man who truly SEES her, and WITNESSES her feminine energy, and can hold fast as he observes from a masculine strength of witness....is totally spiritual.

As it is below, so it is above...as it is above, so it below.

People have forgotten the Divine order and laws of what we, the world, universe and all things are...a breathing representation of the world of forms.

A man with passion, strength, ability to create, move forward is connected to the Absolute within him. He is created in God's image.

The greatest things, is no matter the errors of modernity, The Absolute is timeless, infinite and always in all things.

The things you mention are similar to initiation. We go through pain,and endure pain, in order to see that there is something more deep within us. Something that when the things we were attached to, that the ego thought it needed, fall apart.....something else is in us.

The traditional Buddhists saw it as the killing of the false, separate 'I'. Until our egoic wants are gone and we witness the Divinity in everything. Nirvana.

Metaphysics and Absolute idealism explains everything and fuels an entire dimension of the psyche, the earth, laws and the order of things.

Evola was not an idiot or pure extremists. He was harking to something very powerful which we rejected.

@INNASKILLZ2K20 I've been away for a while from the site, wish I was there to see you shit on rollo. it would have been glorious haha

This is the major problem I have with Rollo. Evolutionary psychology. The supposition that women like 'Alpha Males', because that was in the past, and certain events and circumstances in the past meant women needed certain men, so those instincts are naturally selected and retained....so basically here are a bunch of behaviours which make you 'alpha'....and here is a breakdown of women according to evolution.

Evolutionary psychology is much too influenced by politics/modern leftist academia to be of any worth. The best way to study masculinity is to see how people wrote about it before the modern era. In fact, anything written in the modern era can be ignored. Why? Because there has been a general destruction and a rejection of the Spiritual throughout the world. The Spiritual has been replaced by the material and left everything empty and sterile. This accounts for many of the social ills we see now. Where are the great brahmin's who like Alexander's soldiers braved wind and rain and the scorching sun to reach Nirvana? Where are the men of great endurance that could cross the desert with minimal food and water like Cato? Where are the great thinkers who are not just effeminate scholars but also harbor the capability to storm the heavens? They are all gone, because society has destroyed the Spirit necessary to achieve this.

The Spirit has been replaced by the material and the Spiritual has been forgotten. This is why people try to describe leadership and masculinity as '101 Alfalfa traits' - they describe the traits without the unifying Spirit that holds it all together.

Our goal should be to develop the Spirit - for it is the Spirit within a man that a woman loves. Physical strength is important but when the Spirit is absent it is worthless.

There are many stories of men past surviving impossible situations because their Will and Spirit was strong and they could persist beyond what is physically possible. And the women that met them loved them for this.

For women, a man with Spirit and conviction - one who is willing to die for his cause and become a martyr and endure great difficulties - he gives her the stability and a picture of how she should mold herself and what she herself must become. This is 'rock that resists her ocean of emotion' that many mention in TRP is. They mention it without mentioning the Spirit that underlies it.

I can guarantee you that a mujahedeen fighter, fighting to bring the Word of Allah and punish the Unbeliever for his lack of belief will have fewer problems with women due to his fanaticism.

You want to tell me that the Ancient Romans moved further and further from their homeland, and conquered ever new territories because of greed or a lust for resources or for more power? Or where they driven by something deeper - an underlying Spirit perhaps that made them fanatical? The Spiritual/the metaphysical will always be the stronger motivator for a man than simple material desire. Even as something as simple, as the desire to not embarrass oneself before one's beloved will drive men to great deeds (as Plato writes in Phaedrus).

So what can we take from this? We must develop our own Spirit. Our Spirits have languished in the ruins of Tradition, in a world that has forgotten the metaphysical and replaced God with Money and Science! And how to develop our own Spirit? Endure.

Endure the pain of exercise. Endure the mosquitoes and flies that bite you while you camp. Endure going without food and water for as long as you can before collapsing. Endure the woozy feeling and dizziness you experience while standing on the edge of a cliff looking down. Endure the fear of talking to a woman. Endure her pulling away and breaking up with you. Endure friends leaving and breaking your heart. Become fanatical about something - it doesn't matter what - become fanatical about religion, about your political party, about your ambition. This fanaticisim will give you an aura that will like a black hole, bend the material of space time and draw others into your orbit!

@Chaddeus_Rex Yeah man, basic stuff like that.

I have a further sort of take on it. From Carl Rogers, who created 'person-centred' therapy, and won shit loads of award and was nominated for the Nobel peace prize.

To try to explain it, he really looked at relationships (of all kinds) as experiences and ways of being.

For a therapist's relationship with a client he said the therapist needs to experience certain things, like unconditional positive regard for someone, accurately empathising with the clients world, showing congruence, and being non-directive.

Now, many people were from the school of 'doing'. What should the therapist 'do' to be all those things. What should they say, how should they behave, etc.

Rogers really stressed that these things are 'WAYS OF BEING', of 'EXPERIENCING', of 'FEELING'. That you should focus on bein those things in a relationship with someone, then HOW you do it can be organic.

So, I can take this idea to women. If I think I want to be interested, but not too interested. Leading, but not pushing or trying to hard. I don't really need to focus on how to DO those things. That limits a guy to trying to find certain expression which fit the bill...which leads to 'scripts'.

What I mean is, you really only need to focus on EXPERIENCING a few things, as a WAY OF BEING.

If I FEEL like I'm putting in a touch of effort but not too much. If I FEEL engaged but not too invested...all that sort of stuff....then those things are there. How I express them can be idiosyncratic and organic.

I'm not sure if that makes sense...but it helped me out a lot. When I was worried if a text, or response, or behaviour showed I had 'idgaf', 'prize' 'low effort'...whatever...I began asking myself did I FEEL that stuff, as a WAY OF BEING. If yes...then the behaviour didn't really matter, it's usually going to match that being.