A) you fucked up my username. Twice, in fact. have some vcards!
B) a man can do everything "right" and still get suboptimal results. Ever listen to Rian Stone talk about how the guys at MRP end up? Most guys who show up don't put in the work and disappear. Of the guys who put in the work and run their MAPs, some of them end up divorced anyway. Of those who end up divorced, some of it is because their improvements were too little, too late. Others are because the wife is too retarded to appreciate a decent guy when she has one. Others initiate it themselves because after putting in all that work, they want better than their wives.
So again: you can do everything right, and still have suboptimal results.
To believe otherwise is a massive covert contract ("if I do all the stuff, I'll have a problem-free life!").
C) in your OP, you said:
If you don't have genuinely enjoyable sexual/romantic relationships with women, you are not red pill.
There are plenty of Red Pill MGTOW guys who are just done. Terrence Popp. Joker of Better Bachelor. Sandman. HammerHand. Some of the guys who used to populate the comments section at WAATGM such as our founder @Kevin32, and DangZagnut aka YouSaidChicken. All of them have demonstrated knowledge and experience, and have decided they'd rather not bother with women anymore.
I can understand and respect that decision, though it's not for me.
D)
If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun,
The ones who fit that description are either new and still in the anger phase, or just got stuck in it way longer than most. They deserve pity and help rather than scorn.
... up to a point. If someone makes a deliberate decision to wallow in misery even after getting offered help, I'll roast the shit out of him for being a pussy-ass whiner.
Read MoreIf TRP is praxeology, then the state of a man's red pill journey can only be judged from where he's actually at in real, lived terms. If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun, then either the theory is wrong, or he hasn't demonstrated that is has actionable value.
While that's an interesting idea, have you ever considered that the guys you've noticed who're completely unable to advance beyond the anger stage of grief after taking the red pill might simply be Gamma's?
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If TRP is praxeology, then the state of a man's red pill journey can only be judged from where he's actually at in real, lived terms. If all his theoretical knowledge only brought him to a place of perpetual resentment, schadenfreude, victimhood, and a need to complain about everything under the sun, then either the theory is wrong, or he hasn't demonstrated that is has actionable value.
Been checking out some "red pill" content on the internet lately, and this is my verdict of the state of affairs:
Red pill is red pill. But the vast majority of men populating red pill space, or creating content, are not red pill.
If you don't have genuinely enjoyable sexual/romantic relationships with women, you are not red pill.
If your primary emotion with regards to women is one of frustration, and wanting to complain, you are not red pill.
If you aren't at least content with your life, and the role women play in it, you are not red pill.
Why? Because there is no greater indicator of you knowing nothing than your unhappiness and dissatisfaction.
If I wouldn't want to walk in your shoes, your insights and advice mean nothing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4
"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering you is the truth, nothing more."
— Morpheus, "The Matrix" (1999)
Many believe that the truth will set them free, and it most certainly can, but this is a change that requires a sacrifice. In this instance, it means the end of seeking comfort in lies. Unfortunately, liars lie, it's what they do, and while the challenge for most is not falling for lies, liars themselves tend to be cunning, abundant, and persistent.
These men having reevaluated their lives through a red pill perspective are grieving the death of the comfort they once felt in the lies they'd been told. The anger they're venting is apart of the grieving process. As long as these men steer clear of drugs and alcohol, they will reach acceptance, and they'll be all the better for it.
Frankly, it's more unsettling to me that you believe yourself to be red pill, yet like a lot of guys don't understand this.
Read MoreMany of them are Red Pill. They're just bad at it and/or perpetual anger phase.
And what the others already said.
I'll join the sceptics, on this.
Some men (most?) eventually want children. I personally don't, but I understand them. And the fact is that with the "women first" societal trope, they are more likely to end up trying to protect their children from being devoured from their mother, than coasting in life.
Up to recently men thought they could just grab the wheel of the racing car and be a pilot. Now, they are beginning to realize the need to establish safety, first and foremost. That's legit.
Been checking out some "red pill" content on the internet lately, and this is my verdict of the state of affairs:
Red pill is red pill. But the vast majority of men populating red pill space, or creating content, are not red pill.
If you don't have genuinely enjoyable sexual/romantic relationships with women, you are not red pill.
If your primary emotion with regards to women is one of frustration, and wanting to complain, you are not red pill.
If you aren't at least content with your life, and the role women play in it, you are not red pill.
Why? Because there is no greater indicator of you knowing nothing than your unhappiness and dissatisfaction.
If I wouldn't want to walk in your shoes, your insights and advice mean nothing.
Any geopolitical motivation is going to boil down to a resource in one way or another
Geography in itself is sometimes a reason (mountain chains, sea passages, islands etc.).
Also, there's a lot wealth to be transferred from the taxpayer to the military-industrial complex, by having to replace destroyed military equipment, and infrastructure.
There doesn't necessarily have to be a resource grab for some very wealthy and powerful people to make a lot of money off of war.
The respectability of cheating Vs. chasing:
Men who cheat on their frigid spouses are generally looked upon less favourably than men who keep chasing their frigid spouses. Not only by women, by other men as well. And not least, by themselves.
Granted, the guy who keeps chasing will feel bad about himself from a "value" point of view. And other people will see it as kinda pathetic and sad. But it won't be an issue with morality, ethics, or respectability.
Meanwhile, the guy who solves his problem by cheating on his wife will think of himself as a piece of shit. Other people will tell him he's a piece of shit. And if he asked online: "Hey, my wife doesn't want to fuck me. Should I cheat on her?", the answer will pretty unanimously be: "No don't cheat, cheating is the worst".
But is cheating really "the worst"? Is it worse than to keep soliciting for sex - covertly and overtly - someone who's already made it abundantly clear she isn't interested in you in that way? More dishes, more date nights, more back rubs, more communication. It's like the guy at the pub who keeps coming up to this chick who keeps rejecting him, trying to talk to her, trying to order her drinks.
Now, we all know this doesn't work. And even people outside this space increasingly know it doesn't work. But that's not my point. My point is: Is it even acceptable behavior, compared to just cheating? Is it more respectable behavior?
I would argue not. I would argue that cheating is preferable to chasing - not just from point of view of " what works" - but from point of view of which type of behaviour is more respectable, and morally sound. If the guy who keeps taking his wife on date nights doesn't feel like a piece of shit - and nobody else is telling him he's a piece of shit - why should the guy who simply cheats be seen as piece of shit?
In order of more to less respectability and moral/ethical soundness, I'd rank the three typical solutions to married men's sexual frustrations like this:
- Leave
- Cheat
- Chase
That would depend on which of the most common motivators for entrance into marriage apply, such as:
It's just that, in this thread, people were expressing what they don't want. So I got curious about what they do want.
My take?
I don't believe in hard power between the genders. I agree that marriage and divorce laws within the anglosphere are largely fucked, because they weaponize finances and custody in favour of women, thereby handing over hard power. That doesn't mean I think men should have any such power over women either though (I don't).
I think a fair divorce practice (if parties don't agree) is default 50/50 custody split, and default 50/50 split of assets made during the course of the marriage. And that's pretty much it. Possibly some form of child support as well, but nothing ridiculous.
I don't think it's an unrealistic thing to implement either. Many western countries (outside the anglosphere) already do. We're not very different cultures.
I don't think "staying together" is a good goal to have for a man. I don't count marriage success in staying together. You stay together for as long as it's enjoyable enough for you to stay together. The statistics on divorce impact on children are largely inflated, due to conflicts caused by unfair divorce laws. Divorce isn't anything for a man to fear, unless it's artificially, and unfairly made so.
Hard power doesn't make for an actual enjoyable dynamic. It's just enforced beta buxxery, a recipe for a not-so-enjoyable dynamic. Soft power makes for an enjoyable dynamic.
Soft power = be attractive + have boundaries + be at least somewhat competent.
It's not up to me to say who or what is "red pill" or not, but I personally find traditionalist conservativism to be semi bluepill.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxgrr0wL8M
You mention culture, society, government, divorce, the sexes, wealth, and politics, more so than specifically authority itself. It reads like your own thoughts are still all over the place on this. I hope you take the time to keep asking questions until such a time as you've found conclusive answers for yourself.
The first experience any of us have with authority is what's exercised by our parents. Some of us had parents who exercised their authority over us well, while others did not. Some of us come out of those experiences seeking to be, among other things, better potential parents than those we had, while others did not. This tends to be the trend with the other groups you'll deal with in life. Some will be good, many will be bad. The proof of their health will be in their retention and growth.
In such things, as the Spider-man comics character Uncle Ben would say, "with great power, comes great responsibility". Whether employing hard power, or soft, how you ultimately wield it will inform others as to what sort of person you really are regardless of what mask you wear, or image you otherwise think you've built of yourself.
Regardless of context, I can only understand authority being for all practicality a license. Either from god, nature, or expressly issued from some worldly hierarchical organization, like a school, court, government, agency, the military, that exist to legitimize members to take action in fulfilling a given mission. Whether one may be understanding of that mission, or if their actions are moral or ethical, is a topic of discussion for another time. Whether you agree with it or not, that's just how I understand authority.
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