@Stigma

You're suddenly disinterested in empirical evidence and someones testimony is enough to make objective claims.

The only objective claims I've made this entire time are:

1) nothing in those files is enough to convict anyone; even the worst shit is just hearsay

2) context matters, and no context involving Trump is anything bad

3) that you and @MSNBCorpheus er @mentorpheus are just haters who think Trump's being mentioned is enough to declare that he's a child-diddler (hence my showing of Punxsutawney Phil)

partisan

You're goddamn right.

Maybe you missed out on what led to Trump because you're a dirty foreigner.

We spent two decades of hearing leftists say of both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama "we don't care what scandals or illegalities or lies they've done, as long as they're pushing the agenda we want".

During that time, our side had nothing but ineffective pussies who said "low taxes and small government" to get our votes, but then when elected voted right along with the leftists for bigger government.

Trump was different. The shit he said would sometimes be inconsistent, but the stuff he did (or at least attempted) was in line with what we wanted.

So it's our turn to tell them "we don't care, as long as he's pushing our agenda".

So he said a few inconsistent things about Epstein and the files? I don't care!

What I do care about: the facts that we actually know all lend support to believing that Trump never went to any of those parties or participated in any pederasty.

If something actually proves he did, I'll be calling for his impeachment, removal, and imprisonment. Until such evidence is shown to me, I'm glad he's my President.

Is he perfect? No. But he's the greatest we've had in my lifetime by far. And I've seen nothing that makes me even suspect that he's one of the pedos.

Anyone who says he is, is just a retarded hater.

@MentORPHEUS

I've seen it from multiple sources [blather blather blather]

Yeah, all biased liars like yourself.

If I rolled my eyes any harder, they'd be stuck back there.

I haven't seen any evidence that the committed right wingers i know ever spent 2 minutes of serious objective consideration on the question of whether or not Orange Man is, in verifiable fact, bad.

Bullshit. More lies.

I'll quote myself from this post in which I had tagged you at the time:

In 2016, I thought Trump was a blowhard who was only in the race to weaken the Republicans in the primary so that his old friend Hillary would have an easier victory. When he ended up getting the nomination, I was pissed off, but I had learned from 2008 and wasn't going to sit this one out. Hillary probably would have been even worse than Obama. I wasn't voting for Trump so much as I was voting against Hillary.

When he ended up winning, I decided to keep an open mind and give Trump a chance (something "liberals" such as you and MSNBCorpheus er @mentorpheus should try).

He ended up being the best President in my lifetime, possibly ever.

I gladly voted for him again in 2020 and 2024, and I do not regret it one bit. No one I know IRL regrets it either. More on our lack of regret in a moment.

Straight up, you're just a hater. A closed-minded hater who willingly blinds himself to reality and is willing to believe any rumor, no matter how ridiculously far-fetched, that confirms your bias that "Orange Man bad".

@MentORPHEUS

I've seen it from multiple sources [blather blather blather]

Yeah, all biased liars like yourself.

If I rolled my eyes any harder, they'd be stuck back there.

I haven't seen any evidence that the committed right wingers i know ever spent 2 minutes of serious objective consideration on the question of whether or not Orange Man is, in verifiable fact, bad.

Bullshit. More lies.

I'll quote myself from this post in which I had tagged you at the time:

In 2016, I thought Trump was a blowhard who was only in the race to weaken the Republicans in the primary so that his old friend Hillary would have an easier victory. When he ended up getting the nomination, I was pissed off, but I had learned from 2008 and wasn't going to sit this one out. Hillary probably would have been even worse than Obama. I wasn't voting for Trump so much as I was voting against Hillary.

When he ended up winning, I decided to keep an open mind and give Trump a chance (something "liberals" such as you and MSNBCorpheus er @mentorpheus should try).

He ended up being the best President in my lifetime, possibly ever.

I gladly voted for him again in 2020 and 2024, and I do not regret it one bit. No one I know IRL regrets it either. More on our lack of regret in a moment.

Straight up, you're just a hater. A closed-minded hater who willingly blinds himself to reality and is willing to believe any rumor, no matter how ridiculously far-fetched, that confirms your bias that "Orange Man bad".

@Typo-MAGAshiv I've seen it from multiple sources, from one of the earliest releases of Epstein material. In addition to the DOJ removing the more damning items from their official site, Google search results on these have gotten massively flooded out with deliberate and obviously false results Meaning, instead of the transparency and revelation of Epstein material promised by Trump, the massive cover up proceeds apace. Like virtually all the other outspokenly right wing people I interact with long term, you never show any progress toward epiphany that there exists legitimate choice for us common Americans in the political system. That there never has existed any meaningful diffenxw between team right left red blue. That Biden, Obama, Clinton served the same class of masters as Trump, Bush, Bush, Reagan, and Nixon. I don't see any effort at deep analysis of our system, just superficial cheering for a "side" supported by small cherry picked and curated individual disconnected turd nuggets. I haven't seen any evidence that the committed right wingers i know ever spent 2 minutes of serious objective consideration on the question of whether or not Orange Man is, in verifiable fact, bad.