@Stigma

My conclusion regarding the identity is that Humanism is the way to go.

A lot of the "progressives" were instrumental in forming the humanist tradition. The fact that it has been taken over by the Woke doesn't change its fundamental values.

So, for example, we wouldn't be here is it wasn't for people like Herb Goldberg or Warren Farrell.

We wouldn't be here without some conservatives too, like Rollo.

TRP is supposed to be amoral, and it is, in the sense that we discuss strategy irrespective of its moral repercussions. However, a big part of TRP can be seen as restoring a moral balance, if only because society is tilted so much towards women. This restoration has very tangible results, such as on the upbringing of children and their mental health. It is, of course, irreplaceable as far as men's wellbeing is considered.

The Humanists somewhere lost it and included women in their reasoning, to their demise. We now know, scientifically, why women must be excluded. That way, the humanist ideas still stand and can provide a sense of community and identity for men all over the world.

@adam-l

In the face of all this, why the fuck would I draw identity from and identify with such a huge and variant group as "the whites".

You absolutely shouldn’t. Which is coincidentally why Lionsmane was getting called out so often. Blaming a disparate collection of “white people” for the wrongs of the world is essentially retarded, and doesn’t deserve a deeper discussion because no one has really been identified within that criticism. It is a progressive generalisation used to propagate mind rot like critical race theory, adopted by self-proclaimed enemies of the west like islamists in order to undermine and serve their own goals.

But there upon we should identify the deeper value lost in our rejection of their generalisation- that of a collective identity. If not “whites”, then what? Europeans? Anglos? Or is it only possible to separate ourselves from the crimes of TPTB why stripping ourselves down to individualism? Are we a collective within that identity? Why are we even moved to reconsider our own identity against the backdrop of being grouped in with maniacs and genociders just because they share the same skin tone as us.

I say we’re free to claim our identity without having to step into the progressive variation and/or generalisation of said identity, lest they continue to dismantle our communities and families to the point we no longer have a shared identity.

@MentORPHEUS Being white is entirely irrelevant to anything that followed your first sentence. European expansion didn't happen because they were white, it happened because in a pragmatic and utilitarian universe where resources and security are paramount, Europeans had the initiative to utilise their environment to their advantage.

Have horrific acts taken place throughout the history of the world? Absolutely. Did any of it originate in someones mind from the void of potentiality because of their skin colour? Of fucking course not. Have some people leveraged and even promoted their position because of their skin colour? Yes. Is that a disprovable ideology? Also yes. So disprove it on those grounds - but don't castigate European success on those grounds - which is what his dogma was insisting on.

White people don't have a monopoly on horror. They aren't even the front runners in that category.