@Typo-MAGAshiv im not the one with a hard-on for a president with the macroeconomic sense of a 19 year old finance-bro. I dont know if you should be the one to talk data considering
@SeasonedRP Mostly agree, although a guarantee in Ukraines perspective doesnt require boots on the ground. They specifically want strong missile defense systems as part of it.
We can agree or disagree on the topic of US presence in Ukraine and how important that is for upholding US power. I view the trend of isolation and protectionism from Trumps lair as worrying and economically illiterate.
While the intent is to strengthen america it will only lead to the opposite by most metrics.
But my main point was that the meeting was an avoidable shit show that Trump and Vance only made worse. Repeatedly triggering the guy you’re there to talk to is bad strategy.
@SeasonedRP The tweets im talking about claimed Blinken, Rice and several others had a conference call with Zelensky advising him to not make the deal. They were complete bogus as admitted by the author and then went viral with the help of Richard Grenell and other MAGA cool aid drinkers.
The meeting you're referring to was with a bipartisan group where Zelensky confirmed his need for better security guarantees. There's no source on them egging him on. And lets say there was; how can you say Trump and Zelensky had any sort of mutual understanding when they went in to sign the deal? Vance and Trump werent there do discuss and make a deal, they wanted capitulation on their terms - which, whether you agree with them or not, is not good diplomacy, especially not in front of the press.
they had an understanding then with the cameras rolling
How do you figure? Trump understood it this way, but that's not what "having an understanding" means.
He had met with Dem leaders prior to the meeting with Trump and presumably was egged on by them.
Where did you see this?
I've seen this very claim made and it was traced back to a tweet later admitted to be purely speculation. That very tweet has clearly made the rounds, and if in your shoes i couldnt find a solid source for it, i'd seriously consider torching my news feed and starting over.
@Typo-MAGAshiv it's good to see you and Smegma over here get along well. I wasnt guessing your position but his based on his reply, and of course I'll tag you too so you dont feel left out!
I'll feel free to insult and commend world leaders as i see fit, you dont have to agree. Trump's good policies arent exactly a hot topic here, so you wont see me discussing those.
@MentORPHEUS Getting a solid deal should be a cake walk as it stands, with the US holding all the bargaining power. Instead of getting the deal signed and upholding diplomatic relations, Trump completely lost frame and behaved like spoiled child.
If the fucking russians didnt benefit so much from this mummers farce, it would be quite comical.
@SeasonedRP Trump had no idea what Zelensky even wanted from the deal. It's crazy to defend such complete lack of preparation. Very poorly handled and a complete loss of frame on Trumps end. Zelensky too, botched his chance of getting Trump closer to his side, which im sure he could have achieved as long as he would've handled Trump like the narcissistic manchild that he is.
@SeasonedRP insane. You guys give dumbasses way too much credit
Even if Trump did mean that, it doesnt explain why he’s doing such a terrible job navigating it on your behalf
In your view, it seems US’ allies have no value to the US, nor does the weakening of aggressive enemy states.
If that is your position i dont see the point of wasting more energy on your half baked take on geopolitics.
It’s hard to believe there was ever a plan to land that deal with PZ, the way that was handled in such a dimwitted and uncalibrated manner.
And from Trumps perspective im sure not landing it is fine, although in that case i dont think the old narcissist would put that display on publically. The way he makes it seem like ukraine and russia are similarly at fault for the war is shameful and beyond rational understanding.
Putin’s been rubbing his hands together with glee since Trump stepped into office. What a farce.
God damn, Trump and Vance are two daft motherfuckers.
It’s been easy to laugh at Sleepy Joe, his indian fraud VP, tranny secretary of health and that whole shit show, but now this is really something too.
I’d ask why you cant find anything better, but most prominent countries are facing the same struggles.
The adults have fled the scene.
