I'm kind of curious about people's thoughts on only fans, I was rereading the misandry bubble and it got me thinking. Porn overall isn't necessarily bad for us since most men will flock to it as easy comfort, leaving more women available. But only fans is different in that now even fairly lazy women can more than support themselves and their lavish lifestyles based on onlyfans income.
Of course, this is assuming they manage their money well. But for the ones who are making 6figs plus now they don't need as much resources from men, and expect an even higher standard, especially with increased validation. On the other hand I'm sure a lot of these women aren't thinking about the future when they get old and their subs slow and now no man will marry them.
Will it be a net negative or positive to Men, and when I say Men I mean Red Pilled ones? I've already seen the negative effects on the majority.
Intrepid_Place53900 5mo ago
As an Old guy.
this OF stuff is really disturbing in many ways.
First, it's pathetic that guys pay for this shit. Look, there would be no OF, if guys didn't pay. No pride. Imagine spending your hard earned dollars for that ?
Second, there are many women who are destroying their lives by doing a year or two of OF
now, some don't do full nude, but still many guys aren't going to consider her for a LTR.
The girls doing any nudity or more, just flat out , you are a porn worker.
Think about it. How many guys do you know would LTR a former or current porn worker?
Plenty of guys will have fun with these girls and lead them on for sure. Not gonna give her a ring or even LTR her.
Lone_Ranger 1 5mo ago
Agreed. I don't know anybody that would ever spend a single dollar on porn or OF. There is simply no need to. There is an infinite pool of porn freely available on the main aggregators (pornhub, xhamster etc), all nicely categorised for every fetish that you could ever want. Nuns in nappies? Check. Cucumber up the ass? Check.
Why on earth would anyone pay?
I smell b/s. I highly suspect that OF is a pyramid scheme / ponzi scheme, and the real income comes from girls sign up costs. I read recently about a woman who tried it, made zero money, then pivoted into signing up new girls, for which she made ok money. Much more money that sticking cucumbers up her ass on camera.
OF will fizzle out, as girls slowly start to realise that its all hype and no money. The girls that are getting 100k a month are unwittingly just the ad campaign for OF.
Porn will always be there, because guys want to be able to jerk off. There's little to no money in porn, because there is very simply nobody willing to pay for porn.
Lets do a quick poll - anyone here actually ever pay for porn? I've been jerking off to porn for 35 years. Before the internet, you had to go to a store and buy Penthouse. I guess 1998 was the last time I did that - that was the last time I paid for porn.
When was the last time you paid for porn?
Intrepid_Place53900 5mo ago
agree, I mean I may have paid for a penthouse mag or 2, way back (swedish girls swimteam)? hey it was before the Internet
I'm with you, the claims of these girls making 10K/month or more from their OF.
Not sure I believe it.
I want to see some of these girls audited by the IRS, hey , pay your fair share like the rest of us.
Red_dead 5mo ago
I don’t disagree I initially never thought it would take off, because I thought to myself what guy would pay for porn when its free.
JamesSkepp Moderator 5mo ago
It's not the porn that's bad, it's masturbation. You cannot watch porn like you would watch a TV show, how long can you just watch people fucking the same way you would watch a good TV show?
The thing that takes men down is masturbating to that porn. This is first lack of impulse control, secondly it's replacing the real thing with a substitute, a drug if you will, that creates a feedback loop moving men even further away from interacting with real women.
If only fans wouldn't exist something else would. This is because women were showing their buttholes on the internet since the internet appeared, it's jut that they were doing it for free. The only thing that OF did was put a price tag on it. To paraphrase the old joke: we already know AWALT, now we're just negotiating the price.
Strictly from RP men perspective the OF did us a service - it weeded out the women with the most slutty behaviours (slut-impulse-control?) out from the dating pool, perhaps from the geenpool too if the low slut-impulse-control is as genetic as general impulse control.
You can look at OF from the perspective of "degeneracy" or culture war too, but I think most of the perspectives on that come from the internet culture war pundits and most of them are not RP, they are purplepills who repeat "modern women are bad" ad nauseam. Fresh and fit types who constantly just setup sluts for internet "gotya slut" moments. At least Rollo explains stuff and has the foundations behind him. I personally think that OF has little impact on culture war as the war is fought by massive finance (not even Big) and religious ideologues who run it. OF is comparatively waaay too small to make a meaningful impact if it were to be closed and if we call OF a problem the solution is literally reading the sidebar and putting the work in.
Durek_The_Bald 5mo ago
Depends on a lot of factors, like the financial aspect of it being legitimate, legal, declared, taxable etc.
Society has always been, and always will be gynocentric (because our species' biological/psychological makeup is). So when women need resources, society will provide it for them. No matter how lazy and useless they are, and no matter how self-inflicted their situation, somebody will be forced (through the barrel of a gun) to bail them out.
When nobody is willing to offer a bailout of their own accord, that burden ultimately falls on the taxpayer (a.k.a. men in general, including red pill men). Therefore, in principle, it's a positive for red pill men when simps willingly throw money at OF thots and the like.
Same thing with alimony, really. A red pill man wouldn't get married where alimony is a thing. But simps will. And that means, in the event of divorce, the simp gets bled dry, rather than the taxpayer at large. And that is, again, a positive for red pill men.
Simping is always voluntary. Paying taxes is not. And in my opinion, the voluntary route should always take precedence over the forced route.
In other words: Let the simps pay. It's good for the rest of us, who would otherwise be forced to.
redhawkes 2 5mo ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/kdxhf6/what_some_of_you_clowns_are_actually_mad_about/
https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/interview-with-an-onlyfans-girl.735877
Read all of it.
Red_dead 5mo ago
Interesting.. confirmed my intial thoughts. I was more so curious as to if there were any long term ramifications that may directly affect me I might have missed but seems irrelevant to me.
redhawkes 2 5mo ago
Nah, if anything, OF only decreased the pussy price. This shit existed from the beginning, just in different forms.
Just don't be a simp and throw your money on pixels you can get with one click for free.
Hoes gonna hoe, be the guy that fucks them, not the one who drools over their nudes. Whores have really short shelf time. OF whores are selling fantasy to retarded incels.
pofkaf 5mo ago
It's a positive for redpilled men like me. Because it's much easier to filter through the trash now. I can just peruse through a woman's social media and know almost immediately whether she's worth my time or not.
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Red_dead 5mo ago
Yea, that was a point I left out but considered. Probably only the top10-20% are making real money. But then how many girls will be lured into it on the thought of quick money.
financehardo420 5mo ago
Lol I know a sugar baby chick that now has half a mil in her bank account.
Her problem? Can’t get guys to take her seriously even though she wants to “settle down”
Red_dead 5mo ago
Yea Ive never actually talked to one so I was curious on how they are actually making out. I guess everything’s a trade off.
financehardo420 5mo ago
Chick’s got a triple digit bodycount. Sure she’s fucked some like top NFL athletes n shit and yeah she’s absolutely banging.
But there’s no escaping that history lol
lambOfGod 5mo ago
It always baffles me that men will go Platon and Aristotle on questions and matters like this, that in no way affect their lives, yet they will pussy out and do incredible mental gymnastics and autistic rhetorics when it comes to approaching and game, 'cause who the fuck does that in almost 2024, right?
Onlyfans girls are the new prostitutes in the brothel. The brothel is online now. Would you have dated or married prostitutes in a brothel back in 1900s and 1800s? No. If you wanted, you only had your fun with her for some mins and moved on with your life. YOU MUST DO the same now, assuming that you have the necessary game to fuck an onlyfans girl, you cuck zoomer.
That's it, case closed. You don't need to write a fucking book about some people somewhere doing something. Why do you care man......
Red_dead 5mo ago
Lmfaoo dude jesus christ why so mad? Its just a question I was just curious. Nobody said anything about not approaching or shit.
We’re told to read the sidebar but when I ask questions elaborating on the material im suddenly a “cuck zoomer” . Like I said theres a whole 15 page article on the side bar dedicated to explaining the effect of Porn on the sexual marketplace and misandry and I was merely asking how it would be applicable today.
You just applied a whole bunch of random assertions and assumptions to a simple question. I had no idea it was a crime to be interested in the fundamentals that this whole community is based on.
I can’t believe that just made you that angry. Why do I care , you ask? I simply just found it to be an interesting query.
Lol is an investor stupid for asking how AI will effect the tech market? because I don’t understand how this is any different.