One thing I don’t get is preselection.
I thought it meant that girls liked guys who had OPTIONS, not guys who PURSUED other options.
For example: if a guy was trying to land a girl, finally had a date set, and then the day before the date he posted a picture/video at the club dancing with other girls, shouldn’t that mess up his chances with the first girl?
What if it was a selfie with another girl?
A. What does the girl think/feel when she sees that?
B. What is the point of posting that from the guy’s perspective? Does he think it will give him points, or does he just not care how it affects things even if he’s been trying for a while with the girl in question?
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that if he posted those videos WHILE she was playing hard to get it could help his chances. But once she agrees to a date, shouldn’t that hurt his chances?
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
What the fuck?
Preselection = girl sees that other women find you attractive.
That's it.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
I'll get you up to speed on preselection before digging into those weirdly specific hypotheticals you asked about.
First and foremost, it's an evolutionary adaptation by women. It's not conscious, and they can't help it.
Women's attraction to men is based on a shit ton of factors. Looks are a tiny part of the total package.
Determining if a man is "attractive" (ie worthy of impregnating her) is a lot of work.
Humans are lazy and look to save time and energy when we can.
So when one or more women determine a guy is "worthy", that's a shortcut for other women who haven't had a chance to evaluate him yet. It can also cause women who were previously ambivalent about him or even categorized him as "unworthy" to reassess.
This works in reverse, too. Women do not want to fuck a man that no other woman wants to fuck.
This is part of why a dry spell can be difficult to break, and why at other times you can be positively swimming in poon.
To summarize: women finding you attractive makes you appear more attractive to other women, and women finding you unattractive will repulse other women.
There are a shit ton of factors at play in this ridiculous hypothetical that we can never know or account for. It may or may not help or hurt his chances with that particular woman, but none of this is about trying to bag any one particular woman, but rather increasing your odds across all women.
Why would he try for a while with her if he has other options?
If she's "playing hard to get", then forget her and move on to a woman who actually wants you. A woman who actually wants you isn't going to take the chance of losing you by "playing hard to get". Never put up with that bullshit.
Right.
But it can be even better if you're exploring those options. When I was still playing the field, I never had a woman want me less because of my fucking other women. I didn't brag or throw it in their faces, but if they asked, I was honest.
If a woman expects exclusivity too early, especially if you two haven't even fucked yet, then she doesn't actually want you, but rather wants some kind of status (wife, girlfriend, etc).
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
I don’t think he did have other options. I think he wanted to imply he had other options by posting selfies with other girls, even though these other girls likely didn’t fuck him. Girls will take selfies with guys without wanting to fuck the guy. However, I think his intent was to imply that he fucked them.
What I don’t understand is A. Why he would want to imply that if he’s been chasing this girl and B. Why the girl who thought he wasn’t good enough for a date, then finally caved, would (hypothetically) not see it as a negative if he then changed from intentional pursuit to preselected bad boy game.
Right. Isn’t posting selfies with girls on social media in an attempt to appear to have options (and probably to be exploring those options) rubbing it in their faces/bragging? Isn’t this not good? That is what I don’t understand.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
You're really overthinking this.
Wait. So this isn't some weird hypothetical, but rather you nosing around in someone else's life?
The correct answer to all your questions is the following:
you'll never have all the information, and it's none of your business anyway, and caring about this is a waste of your time.
The dude sounds a bit uncalibrated based on what you've said. Oh well, not your problem.
As far as in general: if women see other women interested in you, that's always a good thing.
However, if they see you clumsily trying to hit on anything with a vagina, that can work against you.
Don't sweat what some guy does. Worry about yourself.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
Actually this was my ex FWB’s ex and the fact that she fucked a guy like this was part of the reason I broke up with her. This wasn’t even some Dan Bilzerian Chad, this was an ugly guy who wanted to be Dan Bilzerian. I think seeing this gave me some level of PTSD and now I’m trying to understand... Do girls really like THIS? This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen. Also, where does an ugly guy who chases a girl for months get the nerve to try to show preselection after he had been playing good-boy game?
Would you mind telling me this because this situation put a bowling ball in my stomach and I need to understand lol.
Exactly. So what is all this about?
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
One thing that might help in understanding and accepting, is the knowledge that women are often much more short sighted than us in their evaluation judgements.
Like in your case, you first of all view that guy from a man’s POV. Lots of guys who other men deem total retards, wimps and fags, get laid all the time.
Then comes the time bias. You see it as him having displayed good boy game, needy as i understand it, then switching up his strategy. What she sees, is oh, this guy’s either changed or moved on; i better strike while i still have the chance. Or something to that effect.
Be at peace young padawan
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
Well the thing that is confusing is that the video was posted AFTER he finally landed a date with good boy game.
So it was like: he lands a date after trying nearly 2 months.
In between landing the date and the day of the date he switches so bad boy game.
That’s what’s confusing.
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
It’s not that simple and you’re better off realising that you dont fully understand it and dont need to.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
I don’t get what you’re saying but thanks for the help.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
Dude.
You shouldn't care that much.
She saw something in him. It be like that sometimes. That's life.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
Okay but does that type of social media content help or hurt in this case?
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
Why do you care? Let the retard flounder around.
Live your own life and worry about yourself, not what some other guy is doing.
universitythrowaway 1mo ago
Preselection is always best when it's subtle. If a girl accidentally sees you out with another girl, if she sees that other girls are texting you, or if you're busy and you're vague about what you're doing. In this scenario it comes off as too try hard and overt when the guy is posting pictures and videos of him dancing with other girls. Maybe it'll work with this specific girl or maybe not.
This scenario could work though if the guy has a social media presence around nightlife. For example a club promoter.
But a guy who plays it mysterious and passes shit tests about having options is better.
Her: "How many girls have you had in this bed?"
You: "You're the first one..." with a grin.
The imagination is a powerful tool.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
The dancing with other girls was kind of an exaggeration. The real life scenario was the guy posting a video with a girl dancing a couple feet away from him and a selfie clip with another girl (like a video of them taking a selfie). Also the guy would post selfies all the time in little compilation reels among other things like concert stages.
To me it screamed “hey guys look at me, I’m desired by women and I’m cool for talking to them!” except it was done in such a way that it really just made him look like he got no pussy, but that if he COULD get pussy he would be a cheater if the opportunity presented itself. So it was like the undesirable parts of a fuckboy (not being loyal) without the good parts (actually being desired).
Is it more likely that this guy was actively trying to imply he was doing anything with these girls or is he just retarded and trying to look cool without trying to imply that?
Problematic_Browser 1 1mo ago
You're overthinking it. Your hypothetical is weird and you should feel bad.
Preselection is simply women seeing that you're wanted by other women, it's a heuristic shortcut they use to skip the tedious vetting process.
If they see that all the women around you want you, they reason out that there's something about you worth having, even if they don't know what that thing is. Conversely, if they see that no women want you, they will rule you out despite any personal characteristics that might make you a good fit for them.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
The “hypothetical” is something I saw happen in real life and it does not make sense to me tbh. From my perspective it seems cringey and dumb. Maybe if the guy was 16 it’d look cool but in this case it looks dumb. What were each party thinking?
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
They werent thinking, just feeling, more likely.
Women sometimes just want something simple and predictable befitting their mood.
Also, a willingness to emote or display high value, often trumps the actual display.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
You know every girl has a different threshold for how much competition anxiety she is willing to accept right? It's not simply about having competition.
Also, women get turned on by the guy girls want. It's a challenge to steal a man from another woman. It's more about how little a girl thinks she can matter to a guy with options before she checks out.
They'd rather have a winner. Men aren't women dude stop thinking about women like pseudo men who get turned off by the same shit you'd get turned off by as a man
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
You saw the video (keep private please). It didn’t show “girls want me” as much as “I want people to think girls want me”.
It’d have been different if it was a video of him dancing and girls eyeing him intently. Instead it was just him putting girls in his social media content.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I don't even remember where the link is. I wouldn't share it anyway
It doesn't matter that much
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
It was in discord. Do you want me to send it to you again?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Sure but it doesn't matter to the point dude. You continuously keep treating women like men.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Again, your problem is you can't possibly imagine how women feel, unlike men who "get it".
You keep acting like women have cocks and you're getting the level of confusion you'd expect by treating women like they have cocks
First-light 1mo ago
Its complex but pre-selection does imply that the selection by other high value females or another female in the group took place before the girl made her choice.
Post selection indication of other options will result in jealousy that may be competitive or may be destructive.
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
Yes, so in the example I gave isn’t that scenario not helpful?
First-light 1mo ago
I would tend to think it was not likely to help. Most women when they have picked a guy ideally want him to be loyal. They might get competitive if he is not but they might also get put off, particularly if they have not invested much in him.
I think people sometimes blur the lines between preselection - which is a very powerful tool and competition, which does not work in all cases. A lot will depend on what the woman is like, her past experience and what she is looking for when it comes to competition. Pre selection, however, is very likely to be positive. They are not quite the same thing.
Also I think there is the question of what is he putting out there? Is he advertising that he dances or that he has been selected by women?
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1mo ago
The video was clips from clubs and restaurants and such and then a couple frames with girls. In one it was him and his friend and a girl in front of him. Each one of the parts with girls was a half a second at most.
So basically there was one half second clip of a girl dancing alone a couple feet away while looking at the camera, and another that was the picture with his friend and a girl. The girl was closer to him and he was touching her elbow from behind.
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
So let's look at this:
A. Why do you give a shit? If I'm having a good time. I post what I want. That's a window into your life.
B. Most guys don't overthink it and just post whatever. Here's honesty: women love cocky, funny and assertive men.
A guy with options has the freedom to do what he wants or pursue whoever. A guy that's been trying for a while is locked into one girl. Preselection is really shown when girls come to flirt with you in public.
This is a case of the more you care about her feelings. The worse you'll look.
I wouldn't overthink this. It seems like you care too much about this.
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
Here's what preselection is:
When you're single, you can't get pussy no matter how hard you try.
When you get married, ALL the fucking pussy comes out of the woodwork.
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU BITCHES WHEN I WAS SINGLE???