> Do not make an LTR out of a Plate.

Ok. I’m listening.

> Old Redpill preaches that plating is a stage for an LTR.

There is no such thing as “Old Redpill” I should abandon ship right now. But let’s keep going bro. I want to hear you out.

> While.it has some success, I disagree with it.

Ok

> Besides, this is a recurring theme here: "should I LTR my plate?"

One of many questions we see here, yes. But this tends to come (in my experience) from men falling in love and getting oneitis by having sex with the same “plate” for a long time. Men are designed by nature to feel this way. Red Pill wisdom teaches men to fight this instinct.

> Lets learn from woman: they rarely LTR an orbiter. So, you should not LTR a plate.

You seem to have a foot in two different worlds here. One in TRP and the other in “Game” There is a difference, but I couldn’t even tell you precisely what that difference is. But they each stand on their own. Related? Sure. Same thing? No.

> An orbiter gives, commitment free, the validation that woman needs.

Close enough.

> Plates gives, commitment free, the sex that man need.

Fair enough.

> They are, then, analog.

STOP right there. You did not prove a thing. This is called a non-sequitur. I get what you’re going for, but your setup fails several logical tests. They may be analogous concepts, but in practice you’re going to have to do a lot more work than this to make your point.

I’m not shitting on you, just analyzing your comments. Details matter when you make bold claims bro.

> Then I ask: have you ever asked why woman never - or almost never - give an LTR chance to an orbiter?

That’s not true at all.

Geez bro. Does the term “Beta Bucks” mean nothing to you? How can you come here and say some preposterous thing like this?

The data strongly indicates otherwise.

Again, I could stop here. But I honestly want to give you a shot at sorting through this…

> Go ask any woman about that and they will share lots of horror stories about when they (or their friends) did.

You just refuted your previous statement. “Never – or almost never...” Then “lots of horror stories”. Which one is it kid?

> Yes, this is over simplified.

Yes.

> Free sex, no strings atached makes man to become lazy.

You’re speaking for about a billion humans bro. There is no way to substantiate this. The whole point of TRP and Game etc, is that you can NEVER get lazy. So while your comment can and may be true, “Old” Red Pill (is there a new one even?) dictates otherwise.

> Some of us decide to "settle" for the plate that has been around for some good time already.

You say “settle.” One could easily argue “fall in love but afraid to admit it”

> "We have intimacy". "She is good company". We started to see qualities that we hadn't seen before.

Sounds a lot like falling in love to me.

> No. It was not lazyness.

Wait. WTH bro. Keep your story straight. You are AAAALLL over the place here.

> Most likely, we were worn off, beaten by plate in a marathon, due to woman's long term thinking. Woman do that on several different aspects (ask any divorced guy). This included. The clue? Plate demands that used to fall on deaf ears are now important and being taken into consideration.

Women are not the only long-term thinkers in a relationship, but I will give you this one. They do indeed tend to play the long game better than men on average. And this is one of many indications.

> This is the Relationship type of plate. IMO, the most dangerous one.

What ever happened to AWALT. Dude, do you even sidebar?

> The probblem is, given enough time, all plates becomes this. Even 304s have the "Time for settling down".

LMAO. Uh NO! Women leave, cheat, freak out, attempt murder, become lesbians, steal the household money, quit, lie, abuse, and all sorts of other shit. Being insistent on what they want and need is not evil.

**Women indeed do this, as perhaps they should by their very nature. And men should do what we do to counter it.** This is the entire point of TRP!

(I just summed up an ocean of RP writing right there in one sentence - and I want writing credits for it. Or at least a fucking vCoin.)

> And then they break.

You lost me on this one. The plates break for being persistent and getting what they want? If so, then sure, there is evidence that this is true. Once a woman “owns” a man, they tend to lose attraction. But this is not how you put it.

Or do you mean they break, as in “hit the wall and settle down”.

> Ow, she is resilient, you say. Unbreakable plate for good and bad times. You think: "this is one worth keeping; she must adore me to take that level of shit".

Wait, doe she break or is she unbreakable? I’m not trying to be difficult here, but you are all over the place. Calm your thoughts, work them through. THEN write.

Also,, your whole premise so far as been…

> Lets learn from woman: they rarely LTR an orbiter. So, you should not LTR a plate.

It sounds like you LTR’d a plate, it did not work out because you caught feelings and now you’re trying to justify things to backfill justify things. I am not saying I’m right – it just sound like this from the outside.

Also, what level of shit are we talking about? If you are giving women “shit” then you failed at being a man. Your main perspective should be to be IMMUNE to shit – not fling it (Sorry TFM).

If you are implementing game, then some of this is ok (Negging and all that bs). But if you’re talking long-term, it’s a marathon indeed and your job (if you choose to accept it) is to endure and counter and check her shit – not dish it out. That would be a feminine thing to do, by your logic. No?

> No. Quite the oposite.

Fuck bro. I just wrote all that shit for nothing. Anyhoo. Carry on.

> Warn made. Now some more theory.

You’re not American I can see.

> Have you ever noted that plates rarely do the job for securing an LTR other than offering sex? Hot or ugly. Smart or dumb. Rich or poor. It's sex and no work. Ow, and demands. Plates demand (while oddly ok with not being attended).

This is standard normal behavior of modern women. “I’m the table” and “I know my worth” and “We’re all tens” etc. What’s your point.

> Plates accept that condition for whatever gain they saw in that relationship. It could be fun. It could be a trophy. It could be some band-aiding from a break-up. Whatever else the hamster thought.

Ok. This is super low hanging fruit.

> It can be anything, but it is never sex.

Then you have limited experience with women. It takes work, but you can have multiple women much younger than you seeking you out for sex. Sure there’s some companionship involved, but I don’t pay for much other than an occasional dinner.

Never forget this brother: Women are human beings too. And they are not all identical.

> No, I repeat, it is not sex.

Agreed – for YOU it’s not the sex.

I am telling you right here and now, women want sex. Once you crack through a certain “layer” or boundary with them. Be prepared. The most innocent of women can be ravenous for you if you know what you’re doing. Sometimes they want more, as you say. Sometimes they know it will end when they find beta Bob.

> Sex is not in short supply for women of all kinds.

*High quality sex* with a man to whom they are attracted most certainly IS in short supply. In fact they bitch about it all the time, just without saying it directly. Like some women used to like to say “netflix and chill” when we all know what “chill” means. Now they say “Cuddle”

A somewhat tangential version of this is the whole “Where are all the good men” phenomenon. (Not sure what that even means, but I digress… ;-D )

> This is very fundamental concept. Point is, she found something she takes from this informal relationship. Whatever it is, doesn't matter, you are fucking and she is getting it, whatever it is, and that is a good done deal.

Ok. So why omit only sex from this “it”? You need to rethink this.

> One day, things change. The arrangement is done for. Plate will start pushing for an LTR before breaking. The "what are we" talk.

This is only one of several potential outcomes. See above re: Leaving, cheating etc.

> But... lets rewind this "relationship".

Oh. FFS bro. This is getting boring. Make your fucking point already!

> No functional decent human would take too much shit without quitting.

Fair enough. But most married men would beg to differ. Are all married men non-functional or decent?

> But the plate has been there and now has the goal of a relationship. Yet, they never did any effort for securing one, other than offering sex and taking bullshit.

Ok. This is one potential scenario. Finish up…

> If you haven't given in yet, she will be in a state of questioning herslef. Hamster defense kicks in, you are a jerk. Your fault.

Maybe…

> Or she can't find anything better, because (add any hamster guilt transfer here).

Maybe…

> Your fault. Add anything bad with poor hamster reasoning here. It will be your fault. You are at fault. No matter what. And here lies the danger.

So far this is standard normal modern woman behavior. You have revealed nothing so far.

> She is still there taking shit.

With you she is taking shit. With other men she is taking dick, and vacations, and dinner/drinks. Some women can be quite enjoyable in my (overall) experience. “Girls’ just wanna have fun” is a thing for a reason. So give it to them. LTR, plate, hoe, housewife, whatever. Dude just lighten up already.

> There isn't any good why. It actually doesn't matter why. Hamster. Not your problem, as long as you don't LTR the plate,

Whatever. Let’s focus on this little bit here…

> it will eventually break.

This is a clear statement.

> And if they don't break,

You just refuted the previous statement. Very clearly. You are not being logically or otherwise consistent.

> that is NOT a quality. This resilience is bad. The longer to break, the worse.

IDK what the hell this means. But….moving along…

> Let me summarize what is the conditions of this 'great resilient woman' of yours:

• A non-functional individual (low self,steem, playing the narcisism game, etc)
• Zero training on doing the relationship effort
• Can only offer (cheap) sex
• Resented
• Demanding

So, conclusions...

Holy Hannah. I am not even commenting on this shit show.

> Either you plate them until they break or you break them the very moment the LTR ideas come to your mind.

Well shit, that sounds depressing. Too many words bro. And too many stupid rules. You are in for a rough ride my friend. You need to take in more information before you go anywhere near another woman.

> "Long term plates" are a bad thing

I completely disagree. This is where frame comes in. Please tell me you have heard about this.

> and are already plotting for an LTR. Somehow. From babytrap to financial entanglement.

YES! On this we agree. Women can be very clever. Be very careful out there.

> Because the plate can wear you out until you get lazy, tired, compassion, whatever, specially if you the biggest steak on their menu, you need to eventually act.

Meh, no comment. Again, learn to focus your writing.

> There is no possible happy ending. Plating woman has its drawbacks: if you come to develop feelings, I'm sorry. You are screwd. Own it and move on. Next. Or... Suffer. Until the divorce.

Again, you’re in the ballpark here, but you cannot seem to articulate things well. It sounds like red pill word salad.

Calling @RedPillSchool - Is it possible a bot wrote this?

> Sometimes, against better judgement, a guy will LTR his plate. He starts with a resented, uninvested woman that blames him for everything with a history of never working to secure this relationship that blames you for every thing. The cherry on top is that she took so much shit that the low self steem that allowed that is reflected back at you. She thinks that you must be worthless to be with a POS like her.

That is an extremely narrow interpretation of a specific relationship outcome. It is impossible to generalize such a thing.

Your pain is showing bro.

> Not to mention that she traded sex for relationship

Don’t we all?

> and you will feel resented when sex gets of the menu. Resented committed woman don't fuck without a reason.

Holy crap. I’m done with this…

> Blah blah …Can it work? … The universe would never allow a situation without a trade off. Blah…

> Plating has consequences. Of course, all situations are unique, hence, why this is not a rule, more of a "best practice".

You just wrote a WHOLE BOOK about how there is this new rule…

Never mind.

Good luck kid. Take this feedback from the place of brotherly love that is intended and try better next time.

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