Anthropogenic Global warming, or the man-made, urgent emergency that requires immediate action, isn't proven to a point that it deserves the removal of rights and private property.
Anybody flying the banner is doing so for personal or ideological gain, and is using fear to manipulate people.
Prove me wrong.
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bambinosupremo 3y ago
Currently unknown and morally hazardous to assume behaviors are causing global warming to shoehorn unrelated policy.
Is carbon human emitted? You could argue that the industrial revolution raised carbon. But what about all the times in history where Co2 went up and humans weren't there?
Is carbon causing heat or does heat cause carbon?
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MentORPHEUS 3y ago
Over the last 40 years, glaciers around the world have disappeared, frequently exposing early humans and now extinct animals that were encased in ice for over 10,000 years. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is usually a lagging indicator of hot epochs. This time, humans are freeing millennia of stored carbon in a geologic blink of an eye, making the CO2 lead and drive the temperature rise. The amount of CO2 humans release annually is well known and accurately quantified. It exceeded the annual average from volcanoes quite a long time ago.
For a long period, particulate and aerosol emissions reduced surface insolation and balanced the warming effect of the rising CO2 concentration. By the early 70s, first world countries recognized the problem and developed technology that did what humans needed while trapping these pollutants. CO2 is much more difficult and expensive to remove. This explains why science advanced the possibility of forcing runaway cooling and an ice age until the early 70s, and why observed effects of warming accelerated since then.
bambinosupremo 3y ago
We're exiting an ice age, of course the glaciers are melting.
The planet has been hotter than it is today.
MentORPHEUS 3y ago
I'll grant you that, provided that by "exiting" you mean "10,000 years ago" and by "has been" mean "at the end of the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum around the extinction of dinosaurs era."
bambinosupremo 3y ago
So where were man made carbon emissions then?
MentORPHEUS 3y ago
I'm hoping to see a better challenge raised here. AGW theories generally consider the climate a sensitive system that can be pushed into positive feedback in both a hot and cold direction, and don't claim or presuppose that human activity is the only input the system responds to.
MentORPHEUS 3y ago
You're doing it wrong. Gotcha questions are supposed to make the other party appear foolish.
This question doesn't address anthropogenic climate change.
bambinosupremo 3y ago
I'm not making an argument in the affirmative about anthropogenic climate change.
You took this challenge, so it's incumbent upon you to bring forward proof that it is.
MentORPHEUS 3y ago
Bambinio, are you forfeiting the discussion at this point?
MentORPHEUS 3y ago
Your OP makes 3 unsupported claims and challenges people to disprove you. Canonically not a great start to a debate but I'm working with what we have here.
I asserted that 10,000+ year creatures thawing out of ice and glaciers shrinking worldwide over the last 40 years is proof of recent rapid warming, corresponding to the period when global-cooling aspects of mass pollution were eliminated leaving mostly CO2. Your rebuttal to that was basically "Well what about human emissions back when anthropods were first differentiating from sloths and tarsiers?"