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TheClappyCappy
1d ago  TheRedPill

SMV vs “ALPHA”

Hello everyone,

I’d like to preface by acknowledging that this is a very spergy question, and is mostly semantics which will 99% have no carryover to the real world.

Please someone clarify what are the differences between becoming “Alpha” and increasing SMV.

Increasing SMV seems pretty straightforward as there are objectives markers (money, appearance, connections and friend groups etc) but “becoming alpha” seems more intangible and personal.

As I understand it being alpha is essentially a measure of how masculine a person is irregardless of external metrics.

Am I wrong is saying that SMV is more closely related to hypergamy, as it can be loosely used to compare you to other men, whilst masculinity is more so important in the interpersonal interaction?

In other words, a woman can only truly fantasize about a man if she believes him to be very masculine a.k.a. Alpha, but her hypergamy also demands she poach a man who is better than most others according to societal norms?

I know you can’t truly separate the two, as being more extroverted, confident, disagreeable, assertive and self-interested will passively increase a man’s SMV as he becomes more popular, pushes harder for promotions and success in entrepreneurship etc.

I ask simply to better understand the definitions and therefore get the most use out of the available resources posted on the RedPill sub.

I’m curious whether it may be said that women subconsciously associate masculinity with a high S.M.V. for the sake of their internal fantasies, and conversely associate beta tendencies to a guy with an outwardly low SMV (halo effect)?

For example any woman would hope to end up with Leonardo Decaprio, because he is rich and famous, and being seen with him is equal to mega clout within the women’s tribe.

Yet there are so many stories of him (true or not) suggesting he is a very introverted and passive guy, the type of guy that red pill would suggest cannot give her the “tingles”. But this is not something that would stop a woman from having sec with him in his case.

On the opposite end, we’ve all heard stories of that loser drug addict type guy who still manages in some rare cases to bag a married chick or something like this simply due to him being such a “alpha” even when he has nothing going for him and objectively lower SMV than a husband with a house and car.

Seems like on the extreme ends of high SMV and high masculinity, having all of one and none of the other may still be enough for a very specific woman.

But again I may not fully understand how they are different and the ways in which they overlap, and would love some clarification.

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Bozza
4d ago  TheRedPill
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Took a bunch of new photos for the OLD and been slowly replacing them. Best to do this as a drip feed (for whatever reason this works better), you can also A/B test which works best and which order they should be in.

Naturally, my main Whatsapp picture also has to be updated so girls can easily put a face to the name.

Turns out changing your Whatsapp photo is a pretty good low-key dread move. Suddenly plate #1 and a few prospects that had previously dropped off have noticed and re-engaged. All of them pushing to setup some meets with no effort on my part.

Might experiment with this a bit further moving forward. Think this could be a useful tactic for when the full plate rotation is back.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
6d ago  TheRedPill
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@Kloi

dap

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Vermillion-Rx
6d ago  TheRedPill
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It's incredible when you take forever to respond to women and they still say "sorry for the late response" after 20 minutes of not hearing back from them

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Kloi
1w ago  TheRedPill

@Typo-MAGAshiv

usually through social proof and/or pre-selection

Miss walking into events, passing security with a dap. Cordinator gives me hug. Photographer calls out Kloi, I flip em the bird, they snap my photo.

Any female that wasn't a regular would gravitate towards our groups because everyone else seemingly was.

Pussy would just fall in my lap because women thought I was something special when in truth we all just ran in the same crowd with the staff. Of course our friends gave us special treatment they shouldn't have bday.

If you can curate it, social game is unmatched from my experience. It was my crutch from freshman year to my late twenties.

Only reason I learned to open women was because I moved out to the West Coast where no one knew who the fuck I was.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
1w ago  TheRedPill
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@Bozza oh yes, it does happen occasionally, but usually through social proof and/or pre-selection rather than directly trying to win her over through conversation.

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Bozza
1w ago  TheRedPill
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@Typo-MAGAshiv

Also find some girls will be 2 or 3, and then switch to 1.

I went to a little social on Friday at a local bar, no gaming just strictly social. Walked up to a girl, introduced myself. Got a limp handshake and "eh" response. So just turned to the guy stood next to her and spoke to him for a good 10 minutes. Carried on along my rounds around the bar introducing myself.

Bit later in the night that same girl is giving IoIs and hunts me down to say goodbye - despite never having a conversation. So does happen.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
1w ago  TheRedPill
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@Vermillion-Rx

I only interacted with women who were stealing me. I didn't approach even one woman tonight who wasn't trying to get my attention. Worked better than usual

I never did the dance hall thing, but that was similar to how I did things once I started hitting my stride:

1) see IOIs? Approach and open, even if it's just "hi!" Anything is better than nothing.

2) no IOIs? No matter how pretty the woman is, if she's not showing interest, don't bother.

3) woman you're talking to starts putting up barriers? Resistance? Showing disinterest? Leave. Cut it off and move on.

It worked really well for me. Pick from the ones who show interest, and continually gauge their interest. Don't waste time and effort trying to win over the uninterested.

It saves a lot of time and energy, and you face less rejection so your morale/confidence stays high.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
1w ago  TheRedPill
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@Bozza

As you say, the less you care and the less invested you are the more success flows to you. But when you end up in a rut or on a bit of a losing streak it can sometimes be difficult not to take it to heart.

Quote-repeating again for anyone lurking or following along.

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Bozza
1w ago  TheRedPill
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@Vermillion-Rx

I'm adjusting to a new way of operating so it's a rough permanent adjustment compared to previous changes. Probably similar to you I take it

Pretty much. More jaded than anything else really. And then trying to rebuild but it's been a bit rocky. The storm will pass, it always does.

I only interacted with women who were stealing me. I didn't approach even one woman tonight who wasn't trying to get my attention. Worked better than usual

Sometimes that's the best play, works surprisingly well. Guess you get the whole preselection going and they start fighting over you.

I assume this is the salsa/dance club or whatever right?

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