Hi, I've experienced this:
- they repeating the same shit, works like this: they detect that something bothers you and keep repeating that like idiots, destroying your reputation. (eg: you did something wrong in life and they keep refreshing that mistake you made in front of new people, family, etc.). And when you try to 'clarify' or 'discuss' they just repeat that non-stop NOT EVEN listening to what you say, making you look even fucking worse
- they 'save' stuff that embarrasses/can destroy you and show it in crucial moments to make you 'buy' their silence (and even if you buy it, they will end up fucking you)
- they laugh in your face making you feel like shit // do Machiavellian stuff to fuck you
how have you guys handled that shit in the past?
ironpillz 2y ago
Bullying is just another form of power game. 2 options:
jormigaso 2y ago
how can I do that? could you please provide an example? I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
Dangerous_Astronaut2 2y ago
You have to understand that bullies bully because of their own insecurities. It's like a defence mechanism. Either that or they are just plain rotten inside. So my advice would be to use their own weapons against them.
So let's say you are in a situation when someone is picking on you, come back with "Hey do you still pee yourself at night or have you already resolved those issues with your therapist"? Bullies only bully those that they think will let them get away with it. Once you set boundries and teach them that crossinng those boundries will cause them pain, they will back off and go hunt for a new victim.
jormigaso 2y ago
Interesting, very interesting. How can I learn to spot and exploit their weaknesses? Any book recommendations for that?
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Dangerous_Astronaut2 2y ago
Most bullies are also show offs, they brag, exagerate etc. So to spot a weakness look out for the thing that they brag about the most. Most likely that will be their biggest weakness/insecurity. So for example you see a guy that is constantly talking about how great he is with women and how he can bang any chic. Chances are that either he is shit with women/isn't getting anywhere close to the numbers he is claiming or is deeply insecure that no woman will want to be with him.
So thats one way to spot potential weakness. And to exploit it all you have to do is challenge him while at the same time massaging his ego. So say...."oh whow that's awesome, I wish I could be like you and I'd love to learn from you. I tell you what...see that hot chic across the room who is surrounded by her friends? Go cold approach her now and take her away from her girlfriends". His next move will tell you all you need to know about his character.
jormigaso 2y ago
Very interesting. And once you do that how can you bully/destroy them? eg: you already know he is bad with chics, how could you use that against him? like making other people think he is bragging about it, etc, so they will see him as an idiot once they figure he is so bad?
brave_snow 2y ago
read the 48 laws of power
jormigaso 2y ago
already read everything form Robert Greene
thesun 2y ago
Step 1: Get out of your head. Stop living in the the midst of your emotions and events and reliving those events in your mind.
If you can do this, you will see that these bullies constantly give out info that you can use against them. You will find their motives, desires, insecurities and weaknesses. You will find opportune moments to use this against them. You might even engage in gossip to find out more about these people. And all this while not letting anything they do get to you, because fee fees are fee fees and nothing more.
jormigaso 2y ago
very interesting point, any book/material recommendations to learn HOW to do that? (find all that information and use against them when they can fuck me). Thanks in advance.
thesun 2y ago
First off, thank God for this gift. Many people are pussies because they live sheltered lives. They can't handle even slightly tense situations as a result. You on the other hand have bullies you can spar against. Use it to make yourself stronger.
I don't know any books. You learn some things the hard way. Step 1 is probably the most important part of it. So expose yourself to those situations in a controlled manner. Don't suppress your emotions. Just watch how you behave. Watch how everyone else behaves. Watch if any actual harm has been caused or its just those bullies feeling good about themselves by making fun of you. etc etc.
For example, when I read this in your post:
My first thought was: how did they know about this? Did you tell them? If you expose yourself to these situations you will eventually ask yourself these questions. You will control your own behavior.
You will obviously fail multiple times before you get a handle on things, which is fine. Keep your cool and keep going at it. It wont happen overnight. Maybe start by openly insulting them and watching how it plays out.
Like @RedPillNeo said
The best way to "know yourself" is to find your own limits by exposing yourself to those situations in a controlled manner. So do it.
I don't know anything about NLP and the courses taught in uni. Maybe he can suggest some books from that course.
jormigaso 2y ago
Thanks for your answer brother
I did, and not only told but verified, basically gave a weak side of me to exploit for free, like an idiot. That was on my blue-pill days where I was believing in fantasies (I thought showing I was weak was a way to make other guys help me finding chicks) and all kinds of SHIT. Now, it's too late.
how do I know if it's controlled?
thesun 2y ago
If you want to get better at playing Call of Duty, you should play Call of Duty regularly and figure out tactics to play better. You can read tips and tricks to get better at the game, provided you apply them. But you don't want to play Call of Duty 24/7, because it will make other aspects of your life worse and might even make you worse at Call of Duty in the long run. It will take you a long time before you are a competent Call of Duty player, so don't expect everything to work instantly.
Understand?
jormigaso 2y ago
yes, seems like patience and practice are key
RedPillNeo 2y ago
I just discovered NLP while in UNI due to some extra curricular course I took as I was the chairman of my faculty and we had these different type of courses organized by the student association. At that point I realized that I was applying many of the concepts naturally, so I self studied it further to improve techniques, joining other private courses, meeting loads of "corporate sharks" (networking), and basically applying it in real life. Youtube IMO is the easiest way to learn, presented to us these days. As for books, anything would do as long as principles are implemented. But yes, I agree with @thesun , it's a blessing in disguise, if you learn how to tame it.
jormigaso 2y ago
I've read the prince, all from Robert Greene, and books about strategy/war but it's just principles, not how-to or direct real-life applications (with examples? idk)
RedPillNeo 2y ago
Take the principles, apply them in real life, be observant, learn from it, improve.
Don't think there's more than that to it, but for the sake of the argument, give us an example and we can try to work something from there, if possible.
jormigaso 2y ago
ok so an example would be: I did something bad in life (like hurting somebody but nobody caught me), a person knows this and he also knows that showing that up to everybody will destroy my reputation and will make me pay for the consequences of such action (not going to jail or something crazy like that but probably being hated and people wanting revenge, etc). I know at the end of the day everybody will know, so I think the best way is being upfront about it, letting people tag me as a mofo and playing with agree&lify, also looking into his past, watching his movements, etc. to look for weaknesses and make him pay very expensive for that + creating defense strategies for attacks from people who will start to hate me
RedPillNeo 2y ago
@thesun seems machiavellian as well, based on what he just said, so it might not be for you if you're not pumped on that part of the dark triad. What I wanna say is that it might be wise first try to know yourself, no point in becoming "fucked up" if you're not already. I am, I wish I wasn't, I accept myself and constantly working on it. I self studied loads of NLP while in UNI, applied in manipulation mostly.
jormigaso 2y ago
I'm not but I can study, Macheviallianism can be taught, I read that on illimitablemen. Any suggestion on how to learn it like the pros?
Any book recommendations? I would happily do the same! Thanks in advance brother!
RedPillNeo 2y ago
Sure, see below answer. Or the easy way, which keeps you away from the "dark side", find one "fucked up mofo" and be friends with him :) be careful what you wish for tho ;)
jormigaso 2y ago
already did, any keywords to find the exact information? I'm thinking on "NLP manipulation" or "Machiavellianism NLP"
RedPillNeo 2y ago
Again, be careful what you wish for, I'd suggest a step back, and as many wiser people than I am say, here on the community and on the internet, consider a stoic approach to the situation. Other than that, yeah, NLP manipulation should give you plenty of results on youtube, but take into consideration that's not the only way, that's just the dark way.
jormigaso 2y ago
I want the dark way, without it, I would still be a FUCKING blue-pilled imbecile. So please drop as much dark as you can here, I promise I will study all of it
MonkMode 2y ago
Either completely ignore. Any reaction is a positive reaction, so don't react or acknowledge they exist.
Or punch them square in the mouth.
RedPillNeo 2y ago
Both are true and succesful. I will also add for the OP ( @jormigaso ) more nuance from a Machiavellian perspective (I am pumped on each aspect of the dark triad).
I am a bully of bullies. Why? I find no real pleasure nor power gain picking on the "weakest" so I've always targeted the bullies, even if they were not bullying me, but just had the misfortune for me to be around.
When I was younger (high school) I usually was turning to violence, but while I grew up I developed different techniques which didn't need violence in this kind of instances: such as, firstly ignore and dismiss them, if they don't stop, I speak up my boundaries and let them know that they're picking up on the wrong person and they will regret it (usually for them at this moment is already too late, because I intentionally showed weakness just so they can disconsider me and to be able to crush them later from a position of power; if they are wise they stop and not much harm will be done to them but I still push for confirmation; basically by showing them weakness by being what some would say "emotional" I let them chose their own destiny, and give them the opportunity to redeem themselves by showing respect and kindness, some people are not even bullies, they're just in a group of haters and they wanna be accepted), further down the maleficient way, I find everything possible to use against them and apply it every time I have the chance (choose your battles wisely), usually I never stop until I tear down emotionally the "strongest" from the group so this way I don't even need to handle the others, they just see their "leader" and get scared like pussies.
Again, this might not be applicable for most people, I just find it naturally pleasurable and empowering to mentally fuck the so called "bullies" (I'm a justiciary at heart, but based on my own moral compass not necessarily always the social one), it's just like another challenge which pumps me for overcoming it. AMOG
jormigaso 2y ago
how? I don't know how to do that, do you spy on them? pay their friends for information? (that can be dangerous as they can just tell him and increase his defences against you, etc)
YourOwnDisaster 2y ago
Fuck their moms, put a baby in em and force them to call you Dad.
RedPillNeo 2y ago
haha love it, I might do that some day, and come with field report. #FinchVibe